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    I had a Poly-Sci class taught by a Middle Easterner when I went to school at Kent. We did a mock UN vote on recognition of Israel in the class and she stacked the vote so Israel would lose.
    Not surprising. I took the class "middle eastern humanities" my freshman year to fill the "diversity class" requirement Arizona has, and for a full week the teacher had a unit where all she basically did was show pictures of 12 year old Palestinian kids stranded and injured in the middle of a war zone. I knew the class was bull and I should just get my A and move on, but I find it hilarious no one ever wonders what the Palestinian children are doing in the middle of war zones running up to Israelis, and why the someone is taking pictures of nothing but injured Palestinians in the middle of a war zone where a bomb can go off anywhere.

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    Mendenhall might have been better off saying Bin Laden has been dead and on ice since 2003. At least Alex Jones would have his back.

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    Of course it's speculation. Anything that starts out "If this had happened instead" is speculation. You asked for my opinion and I gave it.
    Except you didn't pass off your speculation as opinion until called out on it.

    Well see what happens. I'm just saying there's more of a chance of large-scale retaliation for his death than his capture.
    Is this more speculation/opinion or do you have something concrete that proves that's true?

    Wow, you want a specific training course? "How to fly planes into buildings 101?"

    We taught bin Laden and others how to come up with alternate methods of attack. He (and others) used that training to come up with a plan to attack us and put it into action.

    Sorry if you don't see a connection.
    You made this statement:

    It's like we bred them to be fighters and then get upset when they do what we trained them to do.
    You are implying that training them in guerilla warfare against the Soviets somehow backfired on us because they used that same training in September of 2001.

    Sorry, I don't see the connection and you are failing to concretely provide one.

    Killing the specific bee is pointless. Getting rid of the hive would be smart.
    You have to find the hive first, but I feel better knowing that one of the bees is gone.

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    Except you didn't pass off your speculation as opinion until called out on it.
    So when asked for my opinion, I'm supposed to say "This is my opinion, it's speculation?" Yeah, sorry. I've said before, anyone's opinion is speculation, and if you need someone to identify opinions as speculation, there's something not quite right with you.

    Is this more speculation/opinion or do you have something concrete that proves that's true?
    It's speculation (obviously since it specifies a degree of chance), but one shared by a wide array of experts, which has been discussed to death over the last decade or so as terrorist psychology and radical Muslim ideas of Martyrdom have become more typical topics of conversations.

    You are implying that training them in guerilla warfare against the Soviets somehow backfired on us because they used that same training in September of 2001.

    Sorry, I don't see the connection and you are failing to concretely provide one.
    Actually, the statement related to the fact that we trained and ecouraged them to fight someone else, then they turned around and fought us.

    You're the one who decided to make the argument specifically related to the towers.

    Considering the CIA trained many of the mjuahadeen's forces, and has been blatantly partially responsible for numerous bombings and attempts against US interests (1993 WTC was carried out by a CIA trained mujahadeen, the 1989 embassy bombings were helped along by a former Army Ranger who trained the mujahadeen). The CIA helped construct what would become al Qaeda's training camps, the same ones almost definitely used to train the terrorists who conducted 9/11.

    A former SAS soldier, Tom Carew, who took part in the training said "The Americans were keen to teach the Afghans the techniques of urban terrorism — car bombing and so on — so that they could strike at the Russians in major towns ... Many of them are now using their knowledge and expertise to wage war on everything they hate" back in 2000.

    There's no possibility that our training had nothing to do with 9/11.

    You have to find the hive first, but I feel better knowing that one of the bees is gone.
    No one is saying you shouldn't be happy one of the bees is gone. I'm just saying we shouldn't celebrate like terrorism has been defeated because we killed one guy.

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    Our "training" had nothing to do with 9/11, but empowering Al Queda and setting up a government in Afghanistan that would allow Al Queda to operate freely in Afghanistan certainly had everything to do with 9/11. Al Queda wouldn't exist if it weren't for the Reagan administration.

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    Why was seeing Sadam hung satisfying? He had never done anything to America. Suppressing Islamic extremism in Iraq and keeping it a secular country (albeit through brutal methods) was good for America. He was an evil human being who deserved to die, but the collapse of Sadam's regime strengthened Islamic terrorism and hurt America.
    I'm not all about long term effects from the death of this person or this person. Saddam was an evil er and I enjoyed seeing him die. I am pretty simple minded when it comes to that.

    Same with Bin laden. I would have loved to see his death pictures as well.

    It is what it is and having both of them off this planet today makes me feel better, no matter the long term effects.

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    I really don't see the point in the "root causes" stuff. If you're as big and powerful a country as the United States you're going to piss people off along the way. There isn't any way around it. If you want to be a country that goes through history without stepping on anyone's toes you'd better be Andorra.

    To me it just comes off as self-flagellation, which gets us absolutely nowhere.

    As far as Afghanistan is concerned, maybe we should blame the Soviets for a.) engineering a coup that overthrew their king in 1973 and b.) invading the country in 1978 to prop up the puppet government they installed in place of that king. Those two events started this spiral.

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    I basically agree Joe, anyone who thinks the US became the world's most powerful country without any dirty tricks and empowering the wrong people for political gain behind the scenes is delusional and stupid.

    But the US didn't need to empower the Mujahiddin and set up their own government just to have a symbolic victory over the Soviets. Reagan and his cronies didn't give two s about helping the Afghans when the Soviets invaded, his only goal was to make the Soviets look like the losers and the US look like the winners.

    In the process, they empowered the most powerful terrorist organization in the world.

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    Yeah he maybe a moron and yeah he isnt right, but this is what I find strange and interesting in the USA is the way how teams and leagues interfere with their players. The guy said his opinion, you and his team may be having a different opinion, but still it's his own opinion, he has to do and think whatever he wants to.

    Why does his team need to publish a statement about this? Its none of their bussines. Same with Tiger Woods and Roethlisberger. They did something in their private lives, they had private issues and yet Tiger needed to apologize and humiliate himsef on live television and roethlisberger needed to apologize too and his team came with all kinds of statements.

    In europe it's different, if a player does something in his personal life like the tiger issues or rape or just stating his opinion, well that's his problem, not the team's problem and he is in no way obliged to apologize on TV or to his team or anyone, especially not if he isnt even charged or found guilty in the case of rape accusations.

    Of course I understand image issues for the team, but still I think it's going too far, they are interfering too much. That a player needs to apologize to his own team, fine, but it should be private and between them, not the world.

    Now that the player will lose his image with his own sponsors, well that too is his own problem and his own responsibility. The team has nothing to do with it.

    So these players are really owned by the league or teams. In europe too but it's more personal/private. Then again, in the US they also share mug shots and criminal records with anyone. That would be unthinkable in Europe.

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    So when asked for my opinion, I'm supposed to say "This is my opinion, it's speculation?" Yeah, sorry. I've said before, anyone's opinion is speculation, and if you need someone to identify opinions as speculation, there's something not quite right with you.
    I asked for your opinion on why you think it would be better if he were alive.

    You passed off other information as fact, whether you realize it or not.

    Actually, the statement related to the fact that we trained and ecouraged them to fight someone else, then they turned around and fought us.

    You're the one who decided to make the argument specifically related to the towers.

    Considering the CIA trained many of the mjuahadeen's forces, and has been blatantly partially responsible for numerous bombings and attempts against US interests (1993 WTC was carried out by a CIA trained mujahadeen, the 1989 embassy bombings were helped along by a former Army Ranger who trained the mujahadeen). The CIA helped construct what would become al Qaeda's training camps, the same ones almost definitely used to train the terrorists who conducted 9/11.

    A former SAS soldier, Tom Carew, who took part in the training said "The Americans were keen to teach the Afghans the techniques of urban terrorism — car bombing and so on — so that they could strike at the Russians in major towns ... Many of them are now using their knowledge and expertise to wage war on everything they hate" back in 2000.

    There's no possibility that our training had nothing to do with 9/11.
    If you want to say that the US indrectly aided Al Queda somewhere down the line, that's fine.

    But for you to say:

    It's like we bred them to be fighters and then get upset when they do what we trained them to do.

    which is basically saying that the U.S. should partly blame itself for Bin Laden's actions....

    ...which I find to be ridiculous as we have every right to be upset in this specific case.

    No one is saying you shouldn't be happy one of the bees is gone. I'm just saying we shouldn't celebrate like terrorism has been defeated because we killed one guy.
    Strawman says hey.

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    You tried to compare people cheering the death of a mass murdering terrorist with people cheering the death of innocent Americans.

    You're an idiot.

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    No one is saying you shouldn't be happy one of the bees is gone. I'm just saying we shouldn't celebrate like terrorism has been defeated because we killed one guy.
    We're not celebrating that terrorism has been defeated. We're celebrating because a sum who killed thousands of innocent Americans has got his just deserts...None of us are ignorant enough to believe that Al Qaeda is dead...but knowing that a man who admittedly spearheaded the most devastating terrorist attack in US history is dead is why people are celebrating.

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    We're not celebrating that terrorism has been defeated. We're celebrating because a sum who killed thousands of innocent Americans has got his just deserts...None of us are ignorant enough to believe that Al Qaeda is dead...but knowing that a man who admittedly spearheaded the most devastating terrorist attack in US history is dead is why people are celebrating.
    lol cowboys

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    See you in Week 2

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    I can't wait to hear Toby Keith's Bin Laden is dead tribute song.

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    I can't wait to hear Toby Keith's Bin Laden is dead tribute song.
    You do know that he was against the war, right? Just because a guy supports soldiers doesn't mean he supports war. "Courtesy of the Red White and Blue" was written after we went to war, and it was supporting our soldiers. "American Soldier.." same thing. The guy is constantly going to USO shows taking no money whatsoever, so you can't say it's about money...he's turned down constant paying tour dates to do so.

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    I can't wait to hear Toby Keith's Bin Laden is dead tribute song.

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    90210 getting a yeast infection when he saw a negative comment about Toby Keith was about as predictable as it gets.

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    90210 getting a yeast infection when he saw a negative comment about Toby Keith was about as predictable as it gets.
    Didn't have to do with Toby Keith. Had to do with somebody making an ignorant comment about something they knew nothing about.

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    You do know that he was against the war, right? Just because a guy supports soldiers doesn't mean he supports war. "Courtesy of the Red White and Blue" was written after we went to war, and it was supporting our soldiers. "American Soldier.." same thing. The guy is constantly going to USO shows taking no money whatsoever, so you can't say it's about money...he's turned down constant paying tour dates to do so.
    Okay so i havent gotten my period this month. I am never irregular. I am not on B.C and i did have sex with my boyfriend. We used a condom but we are not sure. Rght around when i was supposed to get my period i had a real bad pain on my left side by my pelvic. It felt like a lil ball was in me and it hurt when i moved. then the pain went away in 3 days but i started with brwn spotting and discharge for like 3 days then one day i had one glob of blood. Then it all stopped. n not i am 2 weeks late i took a prgnancy test from walgreens and it came out negative. Does anyone know what this can be?

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    Okay so i havent gotten my period this month. I am never irregular. I am not on B.C and i did have sex with my boyfriend. We used a condom but we are not sure. Rght around when i was supposed to get my period i had a real bad pain on my left side by my pelvic. It felt like a lil ball was in me and it hurt when i moved. then the pain went away in 3 days but i started with brwn spotting and discharge for like 3 days then one day i had one glob of blood. Then it all stopped. n not i am 2 weeks late i took a prgnancy test from walgreens and it came out negative. Does anyone know what this can be?
    awww..wasn't that creative...

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    awww..wasn't that creative...
    Does anyone know if the UTSA football jerseys are out and for sale yet, and if they are, where I can get ahold of them? If not, do you know where I can get one when they do come out?

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    crofl at this last page

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    lol UTSA football jerseys
    lol UTSA football

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    Does anyone know if the UTSA football jerseys are out and for sale yet, and if they are, where I can get ahold of them? If not, do you know where I can get one when they do come out?
    lol UTSA football jerseys
    lol UTSA football
    lol anyone having issues with someone trying to support local college football. Longhorns are my team..always will be..but there's nothing wrong with supporting something that will bring income to the economy in my area.

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