Are there awards for post of the year? Downfall of the Spurs

[Gregzilla]

lmao...

[ChumpDumper]

lmao...

lmao indeed.

You forgot who you were pimping in this thread.

[rascal]

I'm still waiting for any of these FO-criticizing posters to even consider giving an example of an available trade we could have done that would have actually make the team better AND MORE IMPORTANTLY that the other team would be willing to accept. Most players in these lists are not better than what we have right now or are not going to be given to us without losing so much players that we end up worse than we are now.

And please, don't say it is not up to you to come up with those scenarios. Well, if you want to convince people that the FO "dropped the ball" then give a good example of it. Just one.

To quote a good poster from some of these threads: Waiting...

It's not up to anyone here to convince you that the Spurs dropped the ball. Just look at the first round flameout and that should be enough convincing.

[rascal]

You will be waiting a long time. Even the "good" posters who are upset about the non-activity are unwilling to discuss a real world trade scenario that would meet those qualifications. Not to mention the fact that a major move would undoubtedly disturb the chemistry of a 47 and 10 team.
It's obvious that a major move was never in the gameplan, nor should it have been.
The Spurs are going to evaluate Anderson and Splitter's potential contribution to a post season rotation and make a move accordingly via the waiver wire.
The fact that the Spurs did not make a panic move, ala Boston, shows that they are confident moving forward. None of the top contenders, save Boston, made moves. One could argue that OKC made moves that put them in contention, but that remains to be seen.

Another one who didn't want the spurs to make any moves.

If you would have looked at the Spurs roster instead of the record you would have seen an inferior frontline not capable of winning a le.

[Agloco]

Another one who didn't want the spurs to make any moves.

If you would have looked at the Spurs roster instead of the record you would have seen an inferior frontline not capable of winning a le.

So looking back, who do you propose we should have traded for? As most people are quick to point out, our roster is stacked with unwanted people.

So instead of saying "Told you so", lay out a scenario that would have improved the team. I have yet to see anything remotely resembling that.

[jjktkk]

So looking back, who do you propose we should have traded for? As most people are quick to point out, our roster is stacked with unwanted people.

So instead of saying "Told you so", lay out a scenario that would have improved the team. I have yet to see anything remotely resembling that.

This.

[TJastal]

So looking back, who do you propose we should have traded for? As most people are quick to point out, our roster is stacked with unwanted people.

So instead of saying "Told you so", lay out a scenario that would have improved the team. I have yet to see anything remotely resembling that.

How about not resigning Bonner and keeping Ian (an athletic 7 footer) around at 1/5 the cost?

How about not restructuring Richard Jefferson's contract and actively looking to deal him by the trade deadline?

And just taking a quick glance at the trade deadline, Semiyah Erdan was available for a 2nd rounder and the thunder plucked Nazr Mohammed for a bag of chips and a toros' seat cushion. So opportunities were available for the spurs, yet nothing got done.

But in true popsucker fashion I'm sure you'll tell us all that Pop tried everything in his power to get something done.

[Agloco]

How about not resigning Bonner and keeping Ian (an athletic 7 footer) around at 1/5 the cost?

How about not restructuring Richard Jefferson's contract and actively looking to deal him by the trade deadline?

And just taking a quick glance at the trade deadline, Semiyah Erdan was available for a 2nd rounder and the thunder plucked Nazr Mohammed for a bag of chips and a toros' seat cushion. So opportunities were available for the spurs, yet nothing got done.

But in true popsucker fashion I'm sure you'll tell us all that Pop tried everything in his power to get something done.

And you're qualified to tell us otherwise?

Erdan? The ghost of Mohammed?

Who replaces RJ in the lineup? The quality starter we'd get in return for him? The 1.5-footed Anderson?

For the record, I like Ian and hated to see him go so soon. But.......what leads you to believe that Ian would suddenly be any more polished than Tiago was this year? I don't think Ian is a factor for at least another year yet.

[TJastal]

And you're qualified to tell us otherwise?

Erdan? The ghost of Mohammed?

Who replaces RJ in the lineup? The quality starter we'd get in return for him? The 1.5-footed Anderson?

For the record, I like Ian and hated to see him go so soon. But.......what leads you to believe that Ian would suddenly be any more polished than Tiago was this year? I don't think Ian is a factor for at least another year yet.

Yanny might get his chance sooner than later, did you see how awful Brenda looked in game 2? Hard to believe there was so many threads clamoring for the spurs to sign this guy..

As for Jefferson, I'll give Pop somewhat of a pass... the way he was playing midway through the year I don't think many people could have foresaw the total collapse that was looming. But I think he could have been dealt, Gerald Wallace was available for the taking... maybe Michael Jordan finally got bored with the opposite sex and wanted a new playtoy... in which case seeya RJ & don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

[underdawg]

Who replaces RJ in the lineup? The quality starter we'd get in return for him?

his 6pts and 4 rebounds in the playoffs shouldn't have been that hard to replace.

I think the Spurs gambled on 2 players (RJ&Boner) and gave to much credit to corporate knowledge to leverage the risk. Now they're stuck with 2 bad contracts - why no gamble on players with more upside?

Tyrus Thomas and Travis Outlaw - considered bad contracts, but that's a gamble that was needed more than what the Spurs did. Both players are young - 23 & 25 respectively and their salaries are not that far from RJ & Boner.

I don't know if it's possible, but is there a coincidence that after Presti and Pritchard left (maybe just Presti,) the Spurs stopped getting quality players? I know the big 3 have aged, but to go from Horry, Barry, Jackson, Claxton, Rasho, Nazr, Kerr to old Finley, Mason, Bogans (he was bad for the Spurs), Udoka, Bonner (yes he was traded while Presti was here), etc.

Is Pop still connected to this team for more than a good regular season record? Why do his role players contiune to underperform?

[024]

defending the jefferson and bonner signings is a losing battle. spurs should have never even tried to "reload." think about how much better off the spurs will be if they accepted reality sooner and went through 2-3 years of quick rebuilding and being patient. spurs won't have the untradeable jefferson and bonner, giving them more room to maneuver. i'm beginning to think the lakers were on to something when they spent a few years in the lottery and first rounds of the playoffs. spurs needed to be patient, instead they blew it by handing out these ridiculous contracts to jefferson and bonner.

[jjktkk]

How about not resigning Bonner and keeping Ian (an athletic 7 footer) around at 1/5 the cost?

How about not restructuring Richard Jefferson's contract and actively looking to deal him by the trade deadline?

And just taking a quick glance at the trade deadline, Semiyah Erdan was available for a 2nd rounder and the thunder plucked Nazr Mohammed for a bag of chips and a toros' seat cushion. So opportunities were available for the spurs, yet nothing got done.

But in true popsucker fashion I'm sure you'll tell us all that Pop tried everything in his power to get something done.

Do you actually think before you post? Resigning Mahimni would of further kept Splitter on the bench. That would of been 3 young bigs needing development and minutes.

[jjktkk]

defending the jefferson and bonner signings is a losing battle. spurs should have never even tried to "reload." think about how much better off the spurs will be if they accepted reality sooner and went through 2-3 years of quick rebuilding and being patient. spurs won't have the untradeable jefferson and bonner, giving them more room to maneuver. i'm beginning to think the lakers were on to something when they spent a few years in the lottery and first rounds of the playoffs. spurs needed to be patient, instead they blew it by handing out these ridiculous contracts to jefferson and bonner.

I understand your opinion, but actually I was opptimistic prior to the season started that with the big 3 healthy, and a retooled RJ, etc..., I thought the Spurs had a shot, so I'm glad the FO tried to load up and make a run with this current group of Spurs.

[spursfaninla]

I understand your opinion, but actually I was opptimistic prior to the season started that with the big 3 healthy, and a retooled RJ, etc..., I thought the Spurs had a shot, so I'm glad the FO tried to load up and make a run with this current group of Spurs.

agree

[TJastal]

Do you actually think before you post? Resigning Mahimni would of further kept Splitter on the bench. That would of been 3 young bigs needing development and minutes.

Dude that's what the spurs should be doing, rebuilding. Just how much longer do you think the Duncan era is going to last? The curtain is closing if you haven't noticed. The spurs are going to need to get some replacements.

And considering the fact that hordes of ppl around this forum wanted to sign Brendan Haywood for probably some outrageous amount of money, Ian was an ultra cheap option who is just as good if not better.

And Ian would have gotten minutes if Bonner is allowed to walk into free agency (where I'm sure some foolhardy team would have taken a gamble).

Then simply feed Splitter Blair's minutes (tough luck Dejuan)... problem solved.

[024]

I understand your opinion, but actually I was opptimistic prior to the season started that with the big 3 healthy, and a retooled RJ, etc..., I thought the Spurs had a shot, so I'm glad the FO tried to load up and make a run with this current group of Spurs.

i was optimistic too until i quickly realized that the FO still failed to address the problem of size. even with the retooled roster, many still understood the need for defense and size to get past the lakers. it's hard to imagine that the spurs truly believed this team would make it to the finals without making dramatic changes to the front line. thinking objectively, did you truly believe the spurs had the team to challenge the lakers?

teams like boston and heat packed their frontlines with as many bigs as they could find. spurs instead decided to re sign jefferson and bonner, crossing their fingers, and closing their eyes hoping this would work. it's almost frustrating that the spurs refuse to make dramatic changes. letting bonner and jefferson go would have weakened the spurs temporarily but could have opened opportunities later. for example, spurs could have made a trade using jefferson's expiring. even letting him go would create some space for the luxury cap allergic spurs. this spurs roster was not capable of making it to the finals this season and adding more dead weight is just going to hinder the spurs' prospects even more.

[jjktkk]

i was optimistic too until i quickly realized that the FO still failed to address the problem of size. even with the retooled roster, many still understood the need for defense and size to get past the lakers. it's hard to imagine that the spurs truly believed this team would make it to the finals without making dramatic changes to the front line. thinking objectively, did you truly believe the spurs had the team to challenge the lakers?

teams like boston and heat packed their frontlines with as many bigs as they could find. spurs instead decided to re sign jefferson and bonner, crossing their fingers, and closing their eyes hoping this would work. it's almost frustrating that the spurs refuse to make dramatic changes. letting bonner and jefferson go would have weakened the spurs temporarily but could have opened opportunities later. for example, spurs could have made a trade using jefferson's expiring. even letting him go would create some space for the luxury cap allergic spurs. this spurs roster was not capable of making it to the finals this season and adding more dead weight is just going to hinder the spurs' prospects even more.

Hindsight is 20/20. Maybe Pop/RC felt obligated to let the big 3 try one more run. Who knows. I wouldn't of shed tears if Bonner had left, but even though RJ was overpaid imo, the Spurs did not have a sf in place when they reupped RJ. The Spurs needed a starting sf. I'm sure pretty much the same process will happen for next season as well, and there probably won't be alot of roster moves either.

[Proxy]

We won't do much this offseason. I would guess a midseason trade if anything...

Pop needs to get Tiago and Timmy in the starting lineup together.... and we need a defender on the perimeter. RJ, Hill, and Neal are not good enough on defense.... Bonner and Blair aren't defensive stoppers either due to lack of athleticism, size, toughness, and any combination...

in fact, the only defensive capable stalwarts we have are Timmy and Manu... and one isn't stellar man to man, and the other isn't stellar at defending the 3 (respectively)...

I thought Hill was suppose to be good, but I didn't see him stop any of the Memphis players he guarded, and it seems he's weak at guarding the post.

So in conclusion, we have a pussy team that can't defend, and an undersized front court outside an old Timmy and rookie Tiago. Where are the Bowens, Elies, and Horrys that proved so important to the championship years? Where is the defense RC?

[Gregzilla]

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