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Stern did what he could, sending Salvatore.
The Lakers bench is beyond redemption.
HUGE regrets for SA.
BS BRYANT is great but so so over-rated!!!!!!!!!!!
He is about where he fits all with his all time PER rating. He is truly Mr 17th all time in PER, and also so far in his career, has a shooting 5% less than Jordan even with the lack of defensive checking and hard-nosed defense Jordan faced. http://www.basketball-reference.com/...er_career.html. It is also unreal he was "Mr 6 for 24 in the deciding finals game last year; and still got the damm MVP from a over-adoring media! lmao
He has been over-hyped so much by so many despite NOT truly being a leader or difference maker. Shaq led the first three les without a doubt and then the Lakers sucked until the last three years; when adding Gasol was the Key difference maker along with the tall front line and diversity of Odom.
Not that Gasol is sucking even Bynum and others cannot carry the gunning Bryant (who also as ESPN and other threads have said is also vasly over-rated in the clutch).
Go Mavs would much rather see Dirk, who is so deserving and Kidd get a le vs. another to over-hype the already over-hyped Bryant.
Last edited by Rummpd; 05-05-2011 at 12:05 PM.
Stern did what he could, sending Salvatore.
The Lakers bench is beyond redemption.
HUGE regrets for SA.
They will get Howard or Chris Paul in 2012
Because the Spurs rolled over and died to end the season. Because they couldn't close games and constantly had horrible fourth quarters.
the ing Lakers
They will get Howard or Chris Paul in 2012Sick of hearing this they will get nobody of importance in 2012. Even if they don't pickup Bynum's option like laker fans keep on saying they are still over the cap. You honestly believe one of those 2 guys will come there to play for the mle and pass up the max when they are in their primes. Also I don't buy that bs the magic will trade Dwight for Bynum straight up. Bynum is a toxic asset that is very overrated. Its sad how much the Gasol trade has traumatize people in here into believing the lakers can get anybody at anytime. There is no quick fix for the lakers they will be pretty much what they were post magic from 1991-1996.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm
This link shows they are over the cap in 2012
I think the point of my thread is getting lost. I am happy to see the Lakers on the ropes, yet sad and reflective that it is clear they are going to go into the middle of the pack or below in the near future. This is not because I like LA, but bewcause it represents the end of a great era (the Kobes, the Duncans, the Shaqs, the Garnetts, and the Nash's). I don't see how anything changes that. Even if they get Howard, they really just become another Orlando Magic and everyone is aging. There's no debating it, the days of yore are done and I am broken up about it.
Down 2-0 about to go on the road the Lakers look like they're about done for this season, but I wouldn't write them off for the future. People said the same after the Spurs got beaten by Dallas in 06, and they came and won the le and made a WCF appearance the next two seasons.
Baseline, you may be right, but I don't know. I think this Laker team looks even lazier than they have in years past when they were able to turn it on and off. They simply don't have that room for error any more and Artest's frustration and thugish maneuver mirrors the state of the team. Believe me, 30+ years old makes a huge difference in your abilities as I know from my own decline on the b-ball court between late 20s to early 30s.
Sign and trade. Paul or Howard would accept to be paid only 12 or 13 M the first year with the 10% raise every year.
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_lakers.htm
This link shows they are over the cap in 2012
And the Lakers could propose Artest or Odom + 3,4 M expirer (Fisher) + draft picks (3rd Gasol brother).
Fisher use his player option and come back to the Lakers 1 month later
=> Orlando or NO get a good player at a small price + draft picks. It's better than nothing in return (ask Cleveland...)
If it fails, they give up Bynum or Gasol. It's a no brainer to get Howard and Howard gets a big contract.
It's not more unlikely than the Gasol trade 3 years ago
If Dwight Howard is smart, he'll force a trade to either Chicago, the Knicks, or Miami. If he joined any of those teams, they'd win the le.
However, if he was traded to LA for either Bynum or Gasol, there's no guarantee that he'd win the le.
With Bryant making 25M+ for the next three years, and everybody who has ever played with him hates his guts, LA is going nowhere but down.
Honestly, the Lakers would be better off as a franchise if they traded Bryant after this season. But everybody is so afraid of him, we all know it would never happen.
Rumor (Bucher) says he want LA or Nets. I know it's not the best possible source.
Miaimi has even less assets than LA to get him. It's MLE or giving up one of the 3 amigos.
Miami should defintely propose Bosh though. James / Wade / Howard and every team can start tanking in the first game of the season to get an high draft pick
what better way to end an era than a royal screw?
If Howard goes to LA he would be faced with joining a team that has an aging infrastructure. If he joined 2012-2013 year then Kobe would be close to 35 and clearly already on the decline, Pau would be 33, Artest 33 and even less effective than now, Fisher 109 and Odom on his second Kardashian.
The Lakers need young guns at the point and the wings. Those should be their primary targets.
I still don't see that going down. Again it seems that you are traumatized from the Gasol trade. Howard wants to go to LA but it doesn't mean he will get it. Olaujuwon in the fall of '92 wanted to be traded to the lakers but the rockets didn't comply. The ball is really in the Magic's corner in this I doubt they take LA's crap for Howard. Artest lol the guy is a toxic asset and there is no way any team would take him in package for a player like Howard or CP3. I think both the hornets and magic have more leverage over their franchise players then the Cavs and Raptors had last year. What can Howard do to the magic other then threaten to go to the knicks. Also if the Knicks want Howard then CP3 has 0 leverage because he can't go anywhere. There is no other desirable location that has cap space to sign either Dwight or CP3 other then the Knicks. Its really hornets and magic's choice if they want to trade their franchise player to the lakers for trash. I don't think they will but then again you never know considering the Grizzlies were willing to do it before.Sign and trade. Paul or Howard would accept to be paid only 12 or 13 M the first year with the 10% raise every year.
And the Lakers could propose Artest or Odom + 3,4 M expirer (Fisher) + draft picks (3rd Gasol brother
Fisher use his player option and come back to the Lakers 1 month later
=> Orlando or NO get a good player at a small price + draft picks. It's better than nothing in return (ask Cleveland...)
If it fails, they give up Bynum or Gasol. It's a no brainer to get Howard and Howard gets a big contract.
It's not more unlikely than the Gasol trade 3 years ago
I ing hate Lakers. I hope they burn in .
Nets and other teams will have the cap space to take Howard. Orlando has no leverage
So what the magic should do if Howard says : I'm not going back, if you don't accept Odom (or Artest) + draft picks I go to the Nets and you'll have nothing back
BTW Nets is not a bad choice. Brook lopez will still be in his rookie deal so they will have the cap space for a Deron Williams / Dwight Howard / Brook Lopez big 3.
Add ring chasers and shooters for vet minimum like Miami did and you have a strong contender with a great frontcourt.
Last edited by eric365; 05-05-2011 at 05:31 PM.
If I'm Howard, I'd ask to be traded for Bosh. Riley will go for that. Miami has young, perimeter players - unlike LA.
LA will reload - they only need to shore up the PG position. Some stupid GM will hand over a young Dragic/Vasquez type player.
riley won't break up the heat trio when they win the championship this year.
sadly yes the lakers are getting old and there down 2-0 but mavs are known for choking ....so don't be surprised if the lakers come back to tie up the mavs....I wouldn't be surprised if the lakers end up winning the series....
It sucks to see a colluding big market franchise that's totally screwed any semblance of balance in the NBA for so many years actually become marginal. I cannot bear to watch.
Orlando is better off by letting him walk then accepting the trash the lakers would offer. Does it really make sense to take on Odom's and Artest's contract especially knowing Artest is on your books for a few more years. Artest is a cancer the Lakers even tried trading him earlier this year but nobody wanted him due to his mental instability. Artest and Odom are both past their prime there is no point of trading for them. They have better options with trying to work out a sign and trade with the nets or doing somehow multiple 3 way deal involving the nets rather then do a deal with the lakers where they are taking on contracts 30 plus year old has beens.
Props and respect to the Mavs!!! I hate you bas s, but not nearly as much as I hate the Lakers. I cheer you on as you beat them down.
I shed no tears for the Lakers. The only sadness I feel for any tarnishment of their dynasty is the total lack of involvement that the Spurs have had in it, and in particular that Mark Cuban gets to have the gloating rights. THAT sucks. Nope, all it means is that the Spurs dynasty fall gets to be the footnote in the lead story of the Lakers dynasty fall--meaning we still get to stay under the national radar even in failure. But at least the Spurs were able to leave with dignity while Artest the "Good Citizen of the Year" takes out his frustration with his elbow to his enemy's head.
Good riddance to bad rubbish. Screw em
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