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    I see a big difference in a value that is negative as opposed to one that is null. Have the farming jobs in Africa been outsourced? Is the plumber working in London an outsourced job? I guess being the prime minister of the UK is also an outsourced job.

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    You really can't see the difference in not getting a job and losing a job, Teysha?

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    You really can't see the difference in not getting a job and losing a job, Teysha?
    I've been in both postions, Manny. About zero difference. End result of either = robbing liquor stores for mortgage money.

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    I see a big difference in a value that is negative as opposed to one that is null. Have the farming jobs in Africa been outsourced? Is the plumber working in London an outsourced job? I guess being the prime minister of the UK is also an outsourced job.
    If the farm products are coming back to the US and undercutting and eliminating US farms, then yup. You've outsourced.
    We don't make foreign calls for plumbing problems. Straw non sequitur.

    I just applied for the prime minister of the UK. I'll let you know how it pans out.

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    Drowning and Being shot in the head aren't the same even if they both mean you're dead.

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    Drowning and Being shot in the head aren't the same even if they both mean you're dead.
    Both = methods of death.

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    If the farm products are coming back to the US and undercutting and eliminating US farms, then yup. You've outsourced.
    We don't make foreign calls for plumbing problems. Straw non sequitur.

    I just applied for the prime minister of the UK. I'll let you know how it pans out.
    You're interpreting the word outsourced way beyond what it means, IMO.

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    Both = methods of death.
    And yet they are different. You wouldn't say that someone who drowned was shot in the head.

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    And yet they are different. You wouldn't say that someone who drowned was shot in the head.
    Nope. I'd say they were both dead.

    Joe Six Pack wandering the 8-10% unemployment plains will likely see little difference if his job were outsourced or just flat non existent.

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    You're interpreting the word outsourced way beyond what it means, IMO.
    American call center jobs outsourced to India. American call centers closed.

    That's exactly what it means. Anytime a job is displaced and then replaced, you've outsourced the job.

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    No - you've outsourced it if the job was only ever going to be here in the first place or then Joe Six Pack is going to walk around pissed off that people anywhere else are working at all while he's not. You don't inherently have a right to say that any job not in the United States was outsourced. I guess I missed the American Ipad parts factory.

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    Does Manny know what outsourced means?

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    No - you've outsourced it if the job was only ever going to be here in the first place or then Joe Six Pack is going to walk around pissed off that people anywhere else are working at all while he's not. You don't inherently have a right to say that any job not in the United States was outsourced. I guess I missed the American Ipad parts factory.
    Dude. Both have a net effect of no jobs. Is that so hard to grok?

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    We just outsourced some IT work in lieu of hiring someone.

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    I guess I missed the American Ipad parts factory.
    We have every bit of expertise and facilities to do this in America. Apple chose not to.

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    Thats not the point Teysha. We have the capabilities to do virtually every job done elsewhere here in America and many companies world wide chose not to. That doesn't mean every job that isn't bought to America that we have the means to do is an outsourced job.

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    if the product was never manufactured here, then the opportunity "here" for said job doesn't exist.

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    Thats not the point Teysha. We have the capabilities to do virtually every job done elsewhere here in America and many companies world wide chose not to. That doesn't mean every job that isn't bought to America that we have the means to do is an outsourced job.
    It's an American company, Manny. Therein lies the difference. It's almost by default a local opportunity that Apple chose to pass on. End result? No jobs.

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    if the product was never manufactured here, then the opportunity "here" for said job doesn't exist.
    Apple: "Let's build iPads. Where shall we build them? Here or in ing China for .50 a day?"

    The opportunity is always here. It's always studiously ignored when the Chinese Morlock labor force is a choice.

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    if the product was never manufactured here, then the opportunity "here" for said job doesn't exist.
    btw...these types of products used to be manufactured here. They aren't any longer. I guess those jobs weren't outsourced.

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    it made the product a success.

    sales would have failed, miserably.

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    Apple is about as American as any other Multinational Corp. I've never once disputed that a job located elsewhere or a job outsourced means means a zero gain in jobs here. There difference is of course that one means a loss of a job and the other does not necessarily mean that.

    You're using outsourced to label any job that is not in the United States. Just because a job isn't here - even if that job is offered by an American company - does not mean it was outsourced.

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    Google David MacNeil.

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    btw...these types of products used to be manufactured here. They aren't any longer. I guess those jobs weren't outsourced.
    Ipad components were never manufactured here. If they had been, the job would have been outsourced.

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