Why was POP/FO the only team going wrong way?

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see: the kicker...

The real kicker is that Pop had eggs all along. Too bad you're too stupid to read six lines of text.

[HankChinaski]

What a crock of bull. Same old excuses rehashed by popsucker #5108

Splitter was not a "logjam", in fact he scored more points per minute than the legendary Bonner. And Mahinmi hardly ever got an opportunity to get better (once he was healthy).

I wasn't referring to his ability to score, i was talking more along the lines of him screwing up the offensive flow and movement on that end of the court. He'd cram up inside the paint alongside which other big we had out there with him and hinder our 1s and 2s from effectively penetrating the paint or having the ability to feed out the ball to another player.

He has good instincts at second chance clean up buckets. His pick n roll is quite possibly the best thing he provides out there he does it better than anyone else on the team.

Sure, you can make the argument that more playing could have corrected that.

And finally, don't be an jerk to me with your post. No need for name calling.

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No need for name calling.

[HankChinaski]

ha. okay. fair enough.

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I wasn't referring to his ability to score, i was talking more along the lines of him screwing up the offensive flow and movement on that end of the court. He'd cram up inside the paint alongside which other big we had out there with him and hinder our 1s and 2s from effectively penetrating the paint or having the ability to feed out the ball to another player.

All the above is completely delusional, hence the name-calling. Since he played like 20 minutes with Duncan the entire season, he was usually with in with Bonner or Dice. They spread the floor or fail to spread the floor exactly as much as they do when they're in with Duncan.

[TJastal]

I wasn't referring to his ability to score, i was talking more along the lines of him screwing up the offensive flow and movement on that end of the court. He'd cram up inside the paint alongside which other big we had out there with him and hinder our 1s and 2s from effectively penetrating the paint or having the ability to feed out the ball to another player.

He has good instincts at second chance clean up buckets. His pick n roll is quite possibly the best thing he provides out there he does it better than anyone else on the team.

Sure, you can make the argument that more playing could have corrected that.

And finally, don't be an jerk to me with your post. No need for name calling.

Just stop trying to manufacture stupid reasons why Splitter didn't see more time and just face the reality that Pop is just a stubborn idiot. If you continue to do this, expect to be called out and don't whine about it.
HankChinaski, how is it the spurs won 61 games with Dejuan Blair "cramming the inside paint"? I don't get how you say Splitter cannot play in the starting lineup when Blair never goes within 10 feet of the arc. Not to mention Duncan rarely plays in the paint anymore anyway, it's mostly either Manu or Tony running pick and rolls with the bigs, which you said yourself Splitter excels at.

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But Ginobili started with Blair and hooked him up on the pick n rolls. Blair and Ginobili have enough chemistry to work together even though he cant shoot. When Blair was benched and wasnt playing with Manu as much, his production dropped and then his minutes did as well later on.

About Parker not being able to drive.....Thats my point, it offset the way the Spurs offense ran. Thats why he kept forcing the issue, because if he didnt get into the lane that takes away his layups, and uncontested 3pt shots(basically their entire offense). As for the wins, I only remember the LA wins. Parker got out in transition, and on mismatches with gasol he would drive. stop. and pull up for a 16ft shot, which he was knocking down with consistency that game.

Manu/Splitter pick and roll looks just as good as (if not better than) Manu/Blair with the added advantage of height/size on the defensive side.

Parker's driving/dishing would work just as well with Splitter as with Blair.

To think that we could go into the playoffs with Dice/Bonner/Blair defensively was foolhardy.

Second, the analogy needs tweaking: Pop is a professional cake baker who cooks cakes from a boxed cake mix. For years people have said that Pop is a great chef. He tells people that he just reads the back of the box and lets the ingredients do all the real work. One day, for a big event, he spontaneously decides to start making cakes using radishes instead of eggs. He has eggs in the fridge, but he just uses radishes. When people say the cakes taste like , he says that the ingredients need to be fresher or just makes a smart-assed statement about how the person asking the question isn't a chef. He goes and buys the most expensive radishes he can find, selling only radish cakes while his business goes down the tubes.

Great analogy. The shame is that he had the eggs (Splitter) in the fridge. Sheer arrogance.

[HankChinaski]

Just stop trying to manufacture stupid reasons why Splitter didn't see more time and just face the reality that Pop is just a stubborn idiot. If you continue to do this, expect to be called out and don't whine about it.
HankChinaski, how is it the spurs won 61 games with Dejuan Blair "cramming the inside paint"? I don't get how you say Splitter cannot play in the starting lineup when Blair never goes within 10 feet of the arc. Not to mention Duncan rarely plays in the paint anymore anyway, it's mostly either Manu or Tony running pick and rolls with the bigs, which you said yourself Splitter excels at.

Look, I completely agree Pop is stubborn, especially with his rotation. It's the thing you have to take with Pop with the spurs. And yeah, i'm not a huge fan of either Blair or Bonner. And Splitter should have gotten more playing time. All I was trying to say was in the Regular Season earlier on after the injuries he looked lost and made mistakes on the offensive end. I wasn't very confident about Splitter this YEAR. My initial thought was after this season who will be in the starting lineup and play a more prominent role with the spurs. I should have probably gone on and made a lengthier explanation as to what I was stating. I think I came out trying to say something and instead lead into you believing I was stating that. My bad.

I thought Splitter was great in the post season. RJ was adequate for game 1 and 2 then just faded away and became worthless.

All i really wanted to suggest was that I liked what the FO did Overall with their moves. Their bad decisions with signings well like i just said overall i thought it was still good overall with what they did. Didn't really like Bonner getting extended and would prefer RJ gone but that's how it is.

I think the organization is going to make moves towards rebuilding further and think they'll focus more replacing the flaws and contracts they have in the next two seasons and the team will be better off. I still as a fan have faith with this front office to work on issues that plagued them this season.

[TJastal]

Look, I completely agree Pop is stubborn, especially with his rotation. It's the thing you have to take with Pop with the spurs. And yeah, i'm not a huge fan of either Blair or Bonner. And Splitter should have gotten more playing time. All I was trying to say was in the Regular Season earlier on after the injuries he looked lost and made mistakes on the offensive end. I wasn't very confident about Splitter this YEAR. My initial thought was after this season who will be in the starting lineup and play a more prominent role with the spurs. I should have probably gone on and made a lengthier explanation as to what I was stating. I think I came out trying to say something and instead lead into you believing I was stating that. My bad.

I thought Splitter was great in the post season. RJ was adequate for game 1 and 2 then just faded away and became worthless.

All i really wanted to suggest was that I liked what the FO did Overall with their moves. Their bad decisions with signings well like i just said overall i thought it was still good overall with what they did. Didn't really like Bonner getting extended and would prefer RJ gone but that's how it is.

I think the organization is going to make moves towards rebuilding further and think they'll focus more replacing the flaws and contracts they have in the next two seasons and the team will be better off. I still as a fan have faith with this front office to work on issues that plagued them this season.

Keeping the faith is defenitely your choice and right. I think your deluding yourself into some false hope (it's been what, 4 straight years of underachievement and watching Popovich's shenanigans since 2007). I don't know what happened but in 2008 a switch flipped in Pop's head and he went from being a competent head coach to a complete imebecile in almost every regard. It seemed to coincide with the arrival of Matt Bonner. Ever since we got that albatross on the team, the team's big rotation has been soft. I remember so many times screaming at the tv for Pop to make Kurt Thomas (a much better defensive big) a starter and give him the majority of the minutes. But he was infatuated with having Bonner start and play big minutes. Same kind of infatuation he had with Finley.

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Keeping the faith is defenitely your choice and right. I think your deluding yourself into some false hope (it's been what, 4 straight years of underachievement and watching Popovich's shenanigans since 2007). I don't know what happened but in 2008 a switch flipped in Pop's head and he went from being a competent head coach to a complete imebecile in almost every regard. It seemed to coincide with the arrival of Matt Bonner. Ever since we got that albatross on the team, the team's big rotation has been soft. I remember so many times screaming at the tv for Pop to make Kurt Thomas (a much better defensive big) a starter and give him the majority of the minutes. But he was infatuated with having Bonner start and play big minutes. Same kind of infatuation he had with Finley.

Since the 2006 playoffs.

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Keeping the faith is defenitely your choice and right. I think your deluding yourself into some false hope (it's been what, 4 straight years of underachievement and watching Popovich's shenanigans since 2007). I don't know what happened but in 2008 a switch flipped in Pop's head and he went from being a competent head coach to a complete imebecile in almost every regard. It seemed to coincide with the arrival of Matt Bonner. Ever since we got that albatross on the team, the team's big rotation has been soft. I remember so many times screaming at the tv for Pop to make Kurt Thomas (a much better defensive big) a starter and give him the majority of the minutes. But he was infatuated with having Bonner start and play big minutes. Same kind of infatuation he had with Finley.

Especially considering the huge impact Kurt Thomas had this year (in CHI) filling in because of injuries (and this 3 years after Spurs had him).

[ChumpDumper]

lol screaming at the tv for Kurt Thomas

[pancakechef]

Keeping the faith is defenitely your choice and right. I think your deluding yourself into some false hope (it's been what, 4 straight years of underachievement and watching Popovich's shenanigans since 2007). I don't know what happened but in 2008 a switch flipped in Pop's head and he went from being a competent head coach to a complete imebecile in almost every regard. It seemed to coincide with the arrival of Matt Bonner. Ever since we got that albatross on the team, the team's big rotation has been soft. I remember so many times screaming at the tv for Pop to make Kurt Thomas (a much better defensive big) a starter and give him the majority of the minutes. But he was infatuated with having Bonner start and play big minutes. Same kind of infatuation he had with Finley.

Let me tell you what that switch was: YOU READY.....

IT WAS DUNCAN COULDNT DOMINATE BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR EVERY GAME.

this is why pop is, was, and always will be a highly overrated coach. Anyone on here could have won AT LEAST 4 rings with TIM his whole entire career..... PERIOD.

good coaching doesnt mean taking the best team in the nba and getting them a ring. Good coaching means consistently changing and adapting to the game and your players so that YOU DONT UNDERACHIEVE.

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lol screaming at the tv for Kurt Thomas

That's a good one from chumpdumper, I better make the most of it.

[TJastal]

Let me tell you what that switch was: YOU READY.....

IT WAS DUNCAN COULDNT DOMINATE BOTH ENDS OF THE FLOOR EVERY GAME.

this is why pop is, was, and always will be a highly overrated coach. Anyone on here could have won AT LEAST 4 rings with TIM his whole entire career..... PERIOD.

good coaching doesnt mean taking the best team in the nba and getting them a ring. Good coaching means consistently changing and adapting to the game and your players so that YOU DONT UNDERACHIEVE.

I don't know about that. Duncan was still a dominant player in 2008. His playoff numbers (pts/rebs/blks) were very comparable to the numbers he put up in his youth. I think it was Pop's fetish for his newest ginger is what ultimately did the spurs in that year.