I dont think its time for this team to blow up just yet, we still have another run in this team we just need a few pieces. Now If we could get tim to reconstruct his contract, i think Dalembert and luc richard mbah a moute would be the most realistic offseason for the spurs.
If we do have a major trade just think about how long it will take them to learn the spurs system and by that time Manu and Tim might be too old at that point.
Dalembert might be tired of a loosing team and pop could possibly guarantee him a starting spot on the team that had the best record in the west. We wont be asked to score 20 points a game just provide solid defense and grab rebounds. Luc richard mbah moute is the solid defender that the spurs have lacked.
Dalembert/Blair/Bonner
Tim/tiago
Luc/RJ/Anderson
Manu/Neal
Tony/Hill
the defense would be day and night from our current team, RJ would be better utilized off the bench. We would probably have to sell our draft pick this year which i wouldnt mind doing since it is a pretty weak draft.
what do y'all think?
As a poster in another thread suggested, if are going to move RJ we need to look for team with an comparably bad misfit on their team. For example, Childress is probably more suited for the Spurs' style than RJ, and RJ for the Suns' style than Childress.
Also the paradigm has shifted away from building around the "big 3." Pick ups like Dalembert, Varejao, and Darko are USELESS since they don't address our need for a post player who can initiate offense for himself.
Timmy is not what he used to be, but if he had some help in the post, i'm pretty sure he can be this post player that can initiate offense for himself. He is the only guy in the Spurs roster than can to that.
It's just too damn hard for a 35 year-old guy to anchor the defense and be a reliable weapon on offense.
Just start Tiago Splitter ! I don't think we can do much better than that in the offseason considering our situation financially.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=3schyk9
Sjax
T.Thomas
For
Dice
Hill
Blair
RJ
Richard Jefferson
Matt Bonner
Antonio McDyess (will likely retire)
2011 2nd round draft pick
for
John Salmons
Corey Maggette
Ersan Ilyasova
RJ to a bad team is totally possible. His contract next year is a shade over $9M, and as a higher rotation option, he could still drop 18+ppg. He's just a terrible fit here, but he scored 20ppg in his last season, pre-Spurs. If the Spurs are willing to salary dump him for ending contracts, he's gone, and quicker than you think.
He's proven that he can't be an important cog on a contender and step up when needed. Guess what? 20+ teams don't give a about that. He's a solid citizen who can score efficiently with enough touches. If we put him out on the curb, someone will pick him up.
Would definately like to see those two trades go downnice job
The bucks aren't going to take trash in trade for solid players, and I'm pretty sure they don't want Jefferson back after getting rid of his overpaid ass once already.
And I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the same for the other 27 teams in the league. But what the , if it makes you feel better to think up dream trades that are never gonna happen at least use the color blue so people know your not serious.
But he didn't step up "when needed". All I remember in the playoffs is a bricked a wide open 3 at the top of the key that sealed the spurs' fate. No team is going to pay that much for a proven playoff choker.
two unrealistic trades...Would definately like to see those two trades go down
even though i would like to think Portland or any team value Hill as a good player and would like to give us great talent such as Batum, i don't think it's that situation, Hill is Just a bad player!
and why would the Clippers for Jefferson would give us Kaman who is a better player and has expiring contract when the only compensation they get is Blair who doesn't have much value, this trade also far from the reality.
Hill was a 6th man of the year candidate and is still young enough to develop confidence (the only thing holding him back). He has some decent trade value IMO.
but that the problem, it's look like he has the skills on paper but there is things that make him not to be significant player, things like feel for the game, too passive, mind things. i don't belive in him and i don't see any team belive in him!
It occurs to me that while folks correctly point to how "overvalued" RJ's contract is, that we should apply similar reasoning with respect Blair/Hill. I would argue that each of them is "undervalued" for the 2 years remaining on their respective contracts. Next year, the Spurs will pay the duo roughly $2.5M, and the following year about $3.3M. I'd go as far as to say that the Hill & Blair duo is more undervalued, than RJ is overvalued.
I'm not sure teams would be able to find a comparable combination of talent for that price. All this is to suggest that packaging RJ (overvalued) with Hill & Blair (undervalued) together -- a sum total of nearly $12M -- may help bring back a decent player notwithstanding RJ's three year deal. Just food for thought...
Sixers want to deal Igoudala. Doubt the Spurs will be players in that though. Carry on.
Classic case where we over-valuate other players and under-valuate our players.
While I igree that Hill is not our future in the PG position, the boy is not bad at all. He has his flaws, but he is a really good role player. A lot of teams would love to have him and then we would be crying watching him playing really well for some other team, just like we have been crying about Scola.
And Portland has the same problem with Batum that we have with Hill. Great talent with tools that play way too passive.
The same can be said about Blair. A lot of teams would love to have him. If you dont believe me, just ask fans from other franchises.
And yeah, its going to be almost impossible to trade with his contract, but at least this trade attempt was not totally delusional like Howard for Jefferson + Hill + Blair and some other crap trade attempts that i have seen..
Hill and Blair were key role players in a team that won 61 games. They have value. Look at the league for teams that need either a guard who can create his own shot, or rebounding help.
They're not star players, but they certainly have specific skills that help teams win. Could they get Dwight Howard etc: No. Could they be used to get good players who are overpaid: Yes. e.g.,
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=3zrp5tf
Dyess, Blair to Philly
Jefferson to Sacramento
Iggy Here
Saves Philly 15 million a year, Can resign Thaddeus Young, sacramento uses cap space to sign RJ(and RJ is free of the burden of playoff pressure, and can just score), We get Iggy. A better player than RJ, but on a more expensive contract for the same length of time.
It's a talent upgrade for us, and Philly would get a trade exception of ~ 7 million, which they could use to pick up another rotation player(A shooter might be an option).
Do I see that actually happening: No, probably not. But that's not too outlandish.
Parker/Bonner/Dice exception for Gasol / Blake / Ebanks
RJ + 1st round pick for Travis Outlaw
Gasol/Splitter
Duncan/Blair/Novak
Outlaw/Ebanks
Manu/Hill/Green
Mid level exception PG signing (Dragic/Brooks/Price) / Blake
Last edited by TJastal; 05-09-2011 at 10:20 AM.
It will be tough to make trade that gets the Spurs much in return unless you put TP on market. Hill and Blair would appeal to some teams but not sure you get equal value especially considering their salaries. Maybe if the Lakers really are determined to blow things up and over react to the total embarrassment of DAL series then the Spurs could benefit, but could not imagine Lakers wanting the Spurs as trade partners unless it was just a one sided deal - looking around the NBA the team that may be most willing to make moves is Detroit Pistons. Dumars is under some pressure to make changes and they are clearly moving towards youth with Stuckey, Monroe, and Daye + 7th overall pick - they have alot of money tied up in guys that do not seem part of their future and play limited minutes - pay, yrs left, avg minutes.
Hamilton - 12.5/2 , 27min
Gordon - 10.4/3, 26min
C-Villa - 7.2/3, 22 min
Maxiell - 5/1, 16 min
The problem is RIP is 33yo, Gordon is many ways is a much more expensive GNeal, Charlie would be a more athletic,longer Bonner (I think that is kinda a good thing), and Maxiell is a more expensive DBlair.
Maybe it would be possible for Spurs to do sign and tade involving Prince packaged with CharlieV - for RJ,Dice(for salary reason), & pick - you could possibly even get rid of Bonner if you include Hill and take back Bynum - anyway tough to structure that trade between new CBO and not knowing what Prince value on market is.
Since the Pistons will not have much cap room they could get some salary relief with Dice retiring, get rid of Charlie and get something in return for Price
vs losing him in FA - if you pull this trade you would like to involve Bonner or have a second trade in the works as having BonBon & Charlie makes no sense.
Last edited by JonNOKC; 05-10-2011 at 10:27 AM.
Don't see this happening but the thing in the NBA is it only takes one GM/Owner that really likes a player to make a move - there is always hope despite RJ and Bonner contracts
Lurk for a while, you'll get the hang of it.
One player we probably could have for RJ is Marvin Wiliams...imho both players fits the opposite team style (expecially Jefferson for them).
Following what I just posted, in case we opt to re-build and re-jouvanate the team, here are three deals that could work, for both teams involved :
1) Jefferson for M. Williams (RJ fit Atlanta style, Wiliams is still 25, has potential and his style doesn't work in Atlanta and probably, looking at his playoffs minutes, they totally lost confidence in him)
2) Parker for Bynum (solve the Lakers oroblem at pioint guard)
3) Ginobili for Iguodala (for winning now gino is better than Iguo...)
can you give them bonner as a thank you note
Bonner/RJ for Luol Deng
I can't logically explain why Chicago would do this unless they want inconsistent outside shooters.
chicago needs a SG pretty badly.....is it worth giving up James Anderson in that package and get deng? deng is a very good defender and a slasher....
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