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    Im actually surprsied most of these trades seem plausible.
    Consider the source.......

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    And I agre with people liking more trades for Otulaw and Childress. These are my favorites too. If Spurs to a trade for Outlaw, I hope they can do it without taking back Petro even if it costs the 29th pick.



    Parker isn't even my favorite Spur.
    Bruno, do you see Timmy opting out of his contract and taking less money to help out the team? I think he's done this before with the promise that the Spurs would try to make moves to put them in position to make another run.

    If so, I'd think that any agreement would need to wait until after the new CBA so that his contract could be fit into the new paradigm.

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    any solution where RJ and Bonner are not gone is unacceptable

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    Bruno, do you see Timmy opting out of his contract and taking less money to help out the team? I think he's done this before with the promise that the Spurs would try to make moves to put them in position to make another run.

    If so, I'd think that any agreement would need to wait until after the new CBA so that his contract could be fit into the new paradigm.
    Last time that Tim made a move to keep Spurs compe ive, it wasn't exactly the same case. He just signed an extension that wasn't a max extension. This year, he will have to turn down first a $21.2M player option to sign for less money per year. It's a biggest personal investment. It would be also logical that Tim isn't thrilled to see that the paycut he took has been used to give a combined $50M to Jefferson and Bonner.

    CBA wise, his new contract can be sign before July (it will be then an extension) or after July and a potential lockout. The max length allowed for an extension is 3 years. If the new CBA has the same over 36 rule than, the max length for a new contract will also be 3 years. I agree with you that waiting July and a new CBA to sign a new contract seems to be the smart choice because it will allow Spurs to have a clear picture of the financial situation but it's also somewhat risky for Tim to do so.

    If Spurs wants to have an active summer to significantly improve the team, they will need to get some financial flexibility. Duncan restructuring his contract would surely helps a lot. A RJ for Childress trade would also allow Spurs to lower by $3.3M their 2011-2012 payroll. While I think Childress, thanks to his defense, could help a little more Spurs than RJ, the main edge of this trade would the gain of more financial flexibility.

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    Last time that Tim made a move to keep Spurs compe ive, it wasn't exactly the same case. He just signed an extension that wasn't a max extension. This year, he will have to turn down first a $21.2M player option to sign for less money per year. It's a biggest personal investment. It would be also logical that Tim isn't thrilled to see that the paycut he took has been used to give a combined $50M to Jefferson and Bonner.

    CBA wise, his new contract can be sign before July (it will be then an extension) or after July and a potential lockout. The max length allowed for an extension is 3 years. If the new CBA has the same over 36 rule than, the max length for a new contract will also be 3 years. I agree with you that waiting July and a new CBA to sign a new contract seems to be the smart choice because it will allow Spurs to have a clear picture of the financial situation but it's also somewhat risky for Tim to do so.

    If Spurs wants to have an active summer to significantly improve the team, they will need to get some financial flexibility. Duncan restructuring his contract would surely helps a lot. A RJ for Childress trade would also allow Spurs to lower by $3.3M their 2011-2012 payroll. While I think Childress, thanks to his defense, could help a little more Spurs than RJ, the main edge of this trade would the gain of more financial flexibility.


    I had the same thoughts on Timmy. I suppose it hinges on his state of mind. Is he generally positive or negative about the situation? And if he's negative, is it enough for him to walk away from 21 million? He doesn't strike me as overly greedy, but I'm sure the Spurs would want to be a bit more generous with him than with the average bear.

    The Duncan situation aside, I just don't see many positives unless y J AND Bonner can be offloaded before the start of next season. It's just going to be the same old song and dance otherwise. Childress seems to be an enticing replacement. I'm looking forward to the development of Anderson and Butler as well.

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    Parker, RJ, Bonner, Blair, Dice's expiring contract to Toronto for Andrea Bargnani and Jose Calderon. I don't know how the sallary works out but I remember the Raptors were saying how every player was "available."

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    Jefferson for Marvin Williams straight up works.

    Garbage for Younger Garbage.

    I like it.

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    Who the wants the over-priced RJ after showing what type of player he really is these past 2 seasons? If contracts match up, the other team is inevitably giving away the better player.

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    I guess I'm just hoping the Hawks are stupid enough to believe that RJ can be a 4th option for them (ha!) as Crawford insurance.

    Both Williams and RJ have pretty bad contracts. RJ makes over a million more per year.

    RJ's last year is a player option, Williams' last year is an ETO. Neither is likely to pass up on that free money.

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    Parker is really the best tradeable asset the spurs have. I know trading him isn't a popular idea around here but maybe the lakers would be willing to part ways with Gasol after that uninspired performance against Dallas.

    Gasol for Parker/McDyess trade exception works in the nba trade machine. LA gets a competent point guard that can take over for Fisher and the spurs get some much needed size in the paint. Duncan/Gasol frontline for the next two years could yield a few deep playoff runs before Timmy hangs it up for good.

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    Could also do Gasol/Blake for Parker/Bonner/McDyess exception

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    I guess I'm just hoping the Hawks are stupid enough to believe that RJ can be a 4th option for them (ha!) as Crawford insurance.

    Both Williams and RJ have pretty bad contracts. RJ makes over a million more per year.

    RJ's last year is a player option, Williams' last year is an ETO. Neither is likely to pass up on that free money.
    It's a trade I've initially considered before turning it down. Hawks are in a difficult salary cap situation and I don't think they will be interested into turning Williams $24.9M contract into RJ $30.5M contract.

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    1) Jefferson + Blair for Kaman.
    2) Sign Prince
    3) Bonner + Anderson for Casspi.

    This gives us a much improved defensive, hard nosed frountcourt.

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    It's a trade I've initially considered before turning it down. Hawks are in a difficult salary cap situation and I don't think they will be interested into turning Williams $24.9M contract into RJ $30.5M contract.
    Not to mention Williams is younger and 100X more athletic than Jefferson... lol @ anyone thinking the hawks would even consider this trade.

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    How much of Jefferson's final year guaranteed?
    for 2013 he has a player option for11+
    Is this completely or partially guaranteed?

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