I've been of the "be still" contingent since The Downfall, Cry. I want to see a confirmation of the body next Summer before I throw the towel.
Howard ain't no answer, nor panacea.
We'll rehabilitate Pau & Odom once & again, set Bynum up, and confirm Kobe's tread reading.
You go home with who brung you.
They brung me.
Adleman is a good choice over Shaw for the simple reason that while Adleman is an inferior coach to P-Jax, he does do at least 1 at least as well or better than P-Jax, and that is ego management. He had Artest before and got a whole lot out of him. He did just about as well as anyone could have massaging the egos of Peja and C-Webb back in the day, and he actually got some value out of Bonzi Wells way back when. This is a veteran team, so there will not be any 'rookie doghouse' issues.
ariza was the better long-term solution. but his agent stalled. I dont blame the FO for signing artest. And without ron's toughness no way we win the 2nd LOB, so I have no regrets on that matter. for the future, of course Ariza was the better fit. It was one of the reasons why I wanted Shannon back. check my posts from the time of the deal. I agreed Ron was the better player but it made us very slow. Losing farmar, even slower and giving away Sasha for smith to save money transformed us to one of the slowest teams n the whole NBA. the other older teams like dallas and Boston have rondo, JJB, and Roddy to add speed. we have? who do we have exactly?We mortgaged his development in this team for Ron-Ron. In hindsight, I get it and Ron was key in getting the LOB last year but did we really do the right thing?
People will be quick with their assessments on Trev with Houston and NO but he was a p-u-r-f-e-c-t- fit with L.A.
...Damn,
Ariza is a good role player, but he only addresses the speed/athleticism issue, we also have no shooters either ..
This is why I don't wan the Lakers to blow the team up. Trade Pau or Bynum for an obvious upgrade. It's LA, and that usually gives them the upper hand on anyone for FA signing, and trade leverage.And don't you ever forget. This is the ing Lakers we're talking about here. They are never down and out. As for your franchise....
I agree with this. but we have to find a way to infuse some youth in the perimeter especially the back-court. Ebanks may be the answer at the backup SF but whomever the coach is will have to be OK with letting a young PG or SG carve out a role on this team. Mitch has to find someone ... Adelman must be willing to play that someone(s).
As ironic as it may sound, Artest is more fixable than Walton
Who, aside from Dwight, is an "obvious upgrade"?
Tiago Splitter
Even though I don't agree that Howard is an upgrade, Cry is right:::who else of any legit esteem is going to be available?
It's not only my choice to remain intact, it's by & large compulsory.
While I think there are quickness issues, I suspect that Chemistry is a more important concern than quickness right now. It is unclear to me who Gasol can't live with anymore - is it Kobe or Brown? (If it was Brown, see here, http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179743, I can't see why Phil didn't just exile the idiot - tell him to stay away from the team, no practices, nothing, and just trade him for scrap later...That locker room needed an immediate fix, and I can't see PJ not trying it on his last run. So maybe it is between Kobe and Pau).
If it's between Pau and Kobe, Pau is probably the better trade possibility (better player, more palatable contract (relatively speaking of course)).
Lakers need to start thinking big trade(s), and should expect relatively low value on the dollar (ie. Damaged goods/ending contracts coming back not Dwight Howard).
Chris Paul for Pau would be. I don't think NO would do it, but they have to get something for Paul before he bolts. I think the only teams willing to trade for Pau are teams that have an established star, though, or some team that feels they are almost there. He clearly isn't a #1 in this league. I thought he was a 1.5, but I don't think so any more.
They have David West. Why would they shop Paul to the Lakers for another long jump-shooting PF? LA isn't the only team out there with trade assets. Paul is a fantasy at this point for LAL, to say nothing of your ability to pay him, pre OR post CBA.
Lot of empty words coming from a fan of team that hasn't sniffed a le in years.Here's the thing. Players obviously love long contracts. The Lakers basically said, "We can get a group of really, really good players now if we oversign them to massive deals." So they locked Kobe up ($30,000,000 in 2014!), they paid Artest the paper, and spent a huge sum on the frontcourt, thinking it would be enough to mitigate an atrocious bench and no competent point guard.
It did really well. You guys got two les out of it. But now the aftermath of that is closing in. Fisher is just done, and you can't blame him as he outlived his expectancy long ago for clutchness. Shannon Brown is just not the player the Lakers FO expected him to be. Barnes wasn't the same after his injury and doesn't appear to be a good fit despite the Lakers' need for a player like him. Kobe is aging faster than they hoped. Artest is suddenly a bad player overall and seems to hate playing next to Kobe. And while this happened, the West took a breath and just got so much younger and faster. It's not a coincidence that in the span of about 18 months Kobe went from being one of the best defensive guards in the league to actually having trouble slowing down anyone out West. I wouldn't call him a liability now, but I would hesitate to say he's even "good" on defense anymore, especially when he's frustrated by any mental errors his team makes (although obviously when he makes one, it was just Kobe being Kobe). And now the Lakers are left holding the bag (for what it's worth, the Spurs are in the same boat, except we aren't contract-locked like LAL). The bag has 2 LOBs in it, but at the expense of the next 3-4 years in addition to this one. Who knows how the CBA will change things, but as they stand it's going to be really freaking difficult to retool. There are just too many gaps in the roster.
You can't overpay players ridiculous sums of money, win two les, and still be able to reload year after year.
And FWIW, I don't see Marc ever being at the level that Pau is/was. He might end up being a better player soon, but if Pau doesn't come to LA, neither do two les. You might be looking better now going forward (although that's debatable), but it was still a very obvious trade to make, IMO.
I still don't understand how the Lakers' FO thought Walton or Blake were worth that much. Artest I can understand because you were desperate for a d-stopper and an enforcer, and you had to pay the man. But Walton and Blake... wow.
1) Kobe's D is fine. The liabilities are Fisher, Blake and Pau.
2) Marc is already better than Pau. He's earned that this postseason
3) People still overvalue Pau. He easily has more trade value than anything the Spurs could ever muster.
4) LOL talking about overpaying players when the Spurs gave Duncan superstar money and that 50 million. The Lakers just won a
Going to be great watching Havoc, Cry when Deron is throwing lobs to Baby Drew.
rofl 21_Palins
what a flaming got
Did you get excited when Bynum flashed his jugs?
Deron Williams isn't det guud
Also, Arenas+Howard for Bynum+Odom doesn't work. You'd have to force Orlando to take on 10+ million more in salary to do that. Good luck with the current roster.
Pretty sure Pau, Luke and Odom works.
Lot of empty words coming from a fan of team that hasn't sniffed a le in years.
1) Kobe's D is fine. The liabilities are Fisher, Blake and Pau.
2) Marc is already better than Pau. He's earned that this postseason
3) People still overvalue Pau. He easily has more trade value than anything the Spurs could ever muster.
4) LOL talking about overpaying players when the Spurs gave Duncan superstar money and that 50 million. The Lakers just won a
Going to be great watching Havoc, Cry when Deron is throwing lobs to Baby Drew.
Lakers are still the Champions, and will emerge victorious again!
Nope. $3 million short in that scenario.
It works. And the Lakers lose 3 wins, according to stat guy
Edit: I read it wrong. Lakers get 3 wins.
My bad, I was using Bynum.It works. And the Lakers lose 3 wins, according to stat guy
Seriously doubt you're getting Howard for Pau.
What I figured.
Sorry about the Spurs being stuck in perpetual 1st/2nd round exit mode while the Lakers have all the tools to structure another quick reload, again.
Hurts, don't it?
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