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  1. #26
    hasta la victoria, siempre cheguevara's Avatar
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    Fisher not retiring

    30 mill for Kobe

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    No mention of ticket prices, parking, concessions, etc with a similiar decrease. Of course the whole economic pie is ed, but it starts with what the fans are paying. Wake me up when that becomes a part of the negotiation.

  3. #28
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    Blow it up.

    Let the players start their own league...

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    what the is 'initial' proposal? waste of time. put in your final proposal and let them take it or leave it. lawyers trying to get paid in this ..

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    No one benefit from a lck out...and the owners have to face too the fact that ther's the risk of some judge who's gonna order them to stop it.
    That said, the players can't go on pretending thet the actual cbe works...the rules bust be made in a way that helps the managements to both try to improve their team without putting them in a bankrupt situation.
    Fisrt thing is understand that the "guaranteed" money exceeding a certain amount per year isn't fair for both owners and players...

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    No one benefit from a lck out...and the owners have to face too the fact that ther's the risk of some judge who's gonna order them to stop it.
    That said, the players can't go on pretending thet the actual cbe works...the rules bust be made in a way that helps the managements to both try to improve their team without putting them in a bankrupt situation.
    Fisrt thing is understand that the "guaranteed" money exceeding a certain amount per year isn't fair for both owners and players...
    How is guaranteed money not fair? (and especially to the players?) What's the point of having a contract if the owner doesn't have to honor it? Why should contracts only go one way? What if the player blows up and has an amazing year while being on an undervalued 4 year deal? He can't just walk away from it and into free agency. But if the opposite happens the owner can just cut his losses and tell the player to piss off? That's garbage.

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    it's all the slave owners fault. They say run run and show the money. They cut the paychecks and do the finances. Now they wanna replace the money bag with a banana tied to a stick. them. they deserve what they gonna get which is no NBA for a while.

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    I agree. I'm all for the players on this one. We have successful businessmen in all walks of life doing something they would never do ... overpay their workers, shut down operations by locking out their labor force no matter the losses. anti-trust exemptions,
    they are the ones inflating their market I can understand controlling future costs but If im the players I aint giving back. A stiffer lux tax makes sense but if I was a spending club I would force and luxt tax dividends to be allocated to team improvements. No way should a s bag slumlord owner like sterling get checks from owners that actual care about winning like Buss, cuban, Holt, Arison and whomever owns the Celts ...if they were forced to spend that money on either acquiringtalent or lowering ticket prices then Im all for it. I am NOT for an owner that makes money subsidizing folks that dont know how to run a business ...

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    I agree. I'm all for the players on this one. We have successful businessmen in all walks of life doing something they would never do ... overpay their workers, shut down operations by locking out their labor force no matter the losses. anti-trust exemptions,
    they are the ones inflating their market I can understand controlling future costs but If im the players I aint giving back. A stiffer lux tax makes sense but if I was a spending club I would force and luxt tax dividends to be allocated to team improvements. No way should a s bag slumlord owner like sterling get checks from owners that actual care about winning like Buss, cuban, Holt, Arison and whomever owns the Celts ...if they were forced to spend that money on either acquiringtalent or lowering ticket prices then Im all for it. I am NOT for an owner that makes money subsidizing folks that dont know how to run a business ...
    Sterling definitely knows how to run a business.

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    I doubt Sterling could do all that well if he wasn't in a market of 18 million people. Any idiot can make money in a huge market in the NBA; look at Dolan.

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    Contract a few teams, add roster spots and maybe increase payroll. Imagine breaking up teams like the Hornets and Timberwolves and dispersing them throughout the league. Would make the league more compe ive, more uncertain, more enjoyable.

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    In all sports, the rookie contracts should be fixed and should never count against the cap. Ever. Period.

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    please do it ! 45 million, lakers are a dead franchise

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    I say do it so scrubs and benchwarmers can't get rich riding pine.

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    please do it ! 45 million, lakers are a dead franchise
    short term, yes. But some of you are really dense. If every team had a hard cap and there was still FA then maybe you avoid the 2.5 superstar Heatles ...

    BUT Dwight and stars of his ilk would have MORE incentive to choose NY, LA and Boston. If you are a megastar drafted by the bucks and you can not make anymore money by staying with the club that drafted you wouldnt the ancillary endorsement income, lifestyle and big city charms of the major markets become even MORE of a factor? Wouldnt every agent steer their clients to the cities where they can make the most money off the court?

    Hard cap hurts the Lakers now ...but the Lakers would be able to pick their star after Kobe'c contract expires. 4 years may seem long ...but I have watched the Lakers for 30 ...I can wait. when Kobe's contract expires every FA that year or the next would be dying to play for the Lakers.

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    I doubt Sterling could do all that well if he wasn't in a market of 18 million people. Any idiot can make money in a huge market in the NBA; look at Dolan.
    Sterling definitely knows how to locate a business.

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    short term, yes. But some of you are really dense. If every team had a hard cap and there was still FA then maybe you avoid the 2.5 superstar Heatles ...

    BUT Dwight and stars of his ilk would have MORE incentive to choose NY, LA and Boston. If you are a megastar drafted by the bucks and you can not make anymore money by staying with the club that drafted you wouldnt the ancillary endorsement income, lifestyle and big city charms of the major markets become even MORE of a factor? Wouldnt every agent steer their clients to the cities where they can make the most money off the court?

    Hard cap hurts the Lakers now ...but the Lakers would be able to pick their star after Kobe'c contract expires. 4 years may seem long ...but I have watched the Lakers for 30 ...I can wait. when Kobe's contract expires every FA that year or the next would be dying to play for the Lakers.
    IMO franchise who are used to develop young players, draft wisely would have an advantage over a franchise who signs / trade big names over and over. but thats just an opinion

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    dont disagree ...completely. Problem is, after the team develops that talent, will they stay? Many teams can draft talent and develop it ...holding on to it is MUCH harder ...ask toronto Denver and Cleveland about that ...

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    IMO franchise who are used to develop young players, draft wisely would have an advantage over a franchise who signs / trade big names over and over. but thats just an opinion
    sounds like spurs ...

    4 rings vs. 16 and 17 rings says otherwise.
    Lakers drafted Bynum, Fisher and made a draft day deal for Kobe. Celts drafted Bird rondo and Pierce but had to trade for Mchale and KG ...smart trades and srafting well are important but Lakers dont 3peat without signing shaq ...they dont repeat without signing artest and re-signing Lamar.

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    sounds like spurs ...

    4 rings vs. 16 and 17 rings says otherwise.
    Lakers drafted Bynum, Fisher and made a draft day deal for Kobe. Celts drafted Bird rondo and Pierce but had to trade for Mchale and KG ...smart trades and srafting well are important but Lakers dont 3peat without signing shaq ...they dont repeat without signing artest and re-signing Lamar.
    True

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    sounds like spurs ...

    4 rings vs. 16 and 17 rings says otherwise.
    I was saying that in the potential 45 million hard salary cap context. So no 4 rings vs. 16 and 17 rings doesn't say otherwise.

    I do expect a team, with unlimited financial ressources, has more rings than a franchise with limited ones tbh. thats not a big surprise.

    Lakers drafted Bynum, Fisher and made a draft day deal for Kobe. Celts drafted Bird rondo and Pierce but had to trade for Mchale and KG ...smart trades and srafting well are important but Lakers dont 3peat without signing shaq ...they dont repeat without signing artest and re-signing Lamar.
    we agree and you can add they don't repeat without the possibility to pay more than 100 million in salary.

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