Mark Jackson couldn't stand seeing Dirk perform well because he is white

[DMC]

That's the problem with ex-players who comment on the game. Give me Marv Albert and Steve Kerr. We know Steve never played.

[redzero]

Ya, everyone likes him too because he puts boobs in his sig.

Why do you have Primer in your sig? Nobody understood that movie until they went to its Wikipedia page.

[Nathan89]

But Nowitzki is overrated because he's white. 1.If he were black, he'd be looked at as one dimensional and soft. 2.But because he's white, he's "amazing and a great scorer", 3.even though he's won the same amount of rings as K. Malone. Yet Malone, who's a better player, took more criticism in his day and I don't ever remember the masses slobbering over him.

He's playing at a very high level, no question,4. but he's also shooting essentially uncontested jumpers. He's 7-0, being guarded by two 6-10 guys, a 6-9 guy and a 6-7 guy. They can't bother his shot. 5.If Brooks were a decent coach, at some point he'd have said, get into his chest, force him to put it on the floor and steer him into pre-determined help spots. I know they're shooting lights out from three, but you can't let a guy shoot uncontested mid range jumpers one after the other. Those are like layups for him. You got to either hard double, on the catch or the dribble, or help on his drives and make the proper rotations.

6.Some will pretend the reason they're amazed with him is his age. But his age is irrelevant. 7.He plays the easiest game I've ever seen from an elite player. Nothing he does puts stress on his body, so he should be able to do this for at least another two or three seasons. Inevitably, he'll pile up the points and be remembered as greater than he actually is. 8.I'd rate him as the fifth best PF ever, 9. but if he wins this championship, some idiots are going to pretend he's second and I wouldn't put it past a few to pretend he's in the discussion for first.

Psssst guys I think he is serious

1. You can call Dirk one dimensional all you want the fact is he has many ways to score. Even if he was one dimensional if you can't stop that it doesn't matter. People usually criticize one dimensional player because once the opposing team does something to stop that one aspect of the players game then that player can't do anything. If you can't stop it, it doesn't matter.

2. Dirk is 7ft tall and he shoots what seems to be a difficult shot and make them consistently. That is amazing. He efficiently scores a lot of points. That makes him a great scorer.

3. Dirk hasn't played with the a top 50pg his entire career. He hasn't played for a team that focuses on defense. You can't win without help and a coach that stresses defense.

4. Are you seriously knocking Dirk because they can't guard him. Everything you said was a complement to Dirk. He 7ft shooting jump shots and making them= complement. He's being guarded by two 6-10 guys but scores at will so that is supposedly "uncontested"=complement. A two inch advantage is not a big deal. Apparently you didn't see Kidd guarding Kobe and thats at least a three inch difference.

5. Pretty sure he was the coach of the year last year.

6. It is pretty impressive that he is ting on anyone that guards him at his age.

7. Once again you try to knock Dirk with complements.

8. No one care what you rate Dirk.

9. It wouldn't be idiotic at all to say Dirk is the second best Pf of all time if he wins the championship this year. How many other players can say they won a championship without a second option. I've said it before if he beats the Heat it will be one of the single most impressive accomplishments in Nba history. Winning without a second option would put him above Kg. The ring plus his finals appearance plus all his individual accomplishments should put him ahead of every other Pf not named Tim Duncan.

[Budkin]

But Nowitzki is overrated because he's white. If he were black, he'd be looked at as one dimensional and soft. But because he's white, he's "amazing and a great scorer", even though he's won the same amount of rings as K. Malone. Yet Malone, who's a better player, took more criticism in his day and I don't ever remember the masses slobbering over him.

He's playing at a very high level, no question, but he's also shooting essentially uncontested jumpers. He's 7-0, being guarded by two 6-10 guys, a 6-9 guy and a 6-7 guy. They can't bother his shot. If Brooks were a decent coach, at some point he'd have said, get into his chest, force him to put it on the floor and steer him into pre-determined help spots. I know they're shooting lights out from three, but you can't let a guy shoot uncontested mid range jumpers one after the other. Those are like layups for him. You got to either hard double, on the catch or the dribble, or help on his drives and make the proper rotations.

Some will pretend the reason they're amazed with him is his age. But his age is irrelevant. He plays the easiest game I've ever seen from an elite player. Nothing he does puts stress on his body, so he should be able to do this for at least another two or three seasons. Inevitably, he'll pile up the points and be remembered as greater than he actually is. I'd rate him as the fifth best PF ever, but if he wins this championship, some idiots are going to pretend he's second and I wouldn't put it past a few to pretend he's in the discussion for first.

Come on man Dirk's got mad game. Scrubs don't score 48 pts and go 24/24 from the line. And besides, Karl Malone was a dirty ing asshole.

[ezau]

Dirk is a great player no doubt and at this point, he's a walking mismatch in the NBA. Back in the day, a prime KG was perhaps the only player who has the speed, height, size, and athleticism to make him work. Bruce Bowen did a decent job on him in the past and sometimes, Battier too.

The point is, you need a great defender to make him work and right now, there's simply no one who can guard him one-on-one.

[dude1394]

lol sons you could tell that it absolutely killed Mark tonight having to compliment Dirk. each and every time Van Gundy or that other honky calling the game made a positive comment about Dirk, Mark quickly changed the subject or began talking about another player. If Dirk was black, then I'm willing to bet that Mr. Mark Jackson would have been hugging his nuts all night long. Instead he chose to dance around the topic of Dirk being great and was pretty quiet throughout most of the game compared to usual.

Pretty much been going on for about a decade now.

[Sean Cagney]

Dirk is a great player no doubt and at this point, he's a walking mismatch in the NBA. Back in the day, a prime KG was perhaps the only player who has the speed, height, size, and athleticism to make him work. Bruce Bowen did a decent job on him in the past and sometimes, Battier too.

The point is, you need a great defender to make him work and right now, there's simply no one who can guard him one-on-one.

I would ADD sheed there too! He could defend him in his prime no doubt like Bowen or KG in their prime! Sheed like they said could have been the best ever at PF, he just never gave a nor worked hard enough to do it.

[Giuseppe]

What's disappointing is that Brooks had absolutely nothing ready for Dirk. What, he thought Dirk was just gonna cool down? He has one more game. We'll see what Brooks has come Game Two. He can't wait for Game Three. By then they'll be fighting for their very existence.

[dallaskd]

lol td21 still asshurt about dirk

cant tell if this gnsf is trolling or not tbh

[stretch]

But Nowitzki is overrated because he's white. If he were black, he'd be looked at as one dimensional and soft. But because he's white, he's "amazing and a great scorer", even though he's won the same amount of rings as K. Malone. Yet Malone, who's a better player, took more criticism in his day and I don't ever remember the masses slobbering over him.

This is pretty much completely backwards you ing idiot.

[stretch]

4. Are you seriously knocking Dirk because they can't guard him. Everything you said was a complement to Dirk. He 7ft shooting jump shots and making them= complement. He's being guarded by two 6-10 guys but scores at will so that is supposedly "uncontested"=complement. A two inch advantage is not a big deal. Apparently you didn't see Kidd guarding Kobe and thats at least a three inch difference.

LMAO i was cracking up at this point he made as well. I guess then Shaq sucks, because the only reason he was good is because he was too big, or Timmy sucks because if he was 6'4, he wouldnt be much of a post presence, or MJ sucks because he was a much better athlete than anyone he faced, and without that, he would have been no better than Trenton Hassell. And dont even get me started on Magic Johnson, who was practically the "Dirk before Dirk", in being an unusually oversized player for his position/skillset.

TD21: dumbass of dumbasses

[stretch]

I would ADD sheed there too! He could defend him in his prime no doubt like Bowen or KG in their prime! Sheed like they said could have been the best ever at PF, he just never gave a nor worked hard enough to do it.

Dirk used to always on KG. But Bowen definitely for a while gave him a few issues, until he finally learned how to play against smaller defenders.

Sheed definitely could have been the best PF ever. He was practically a mix of Timmy and Dirk. Just never had the mentality or work ethic. Makes people realize just how important a leaders mentality really is.

[TampaDude]

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moon cricket???

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[dirk4mvp]

TD-21 is upset like a mother er


and lol at TD-21 acting like Barkely used to hate on Dirk because he's white, he hated Dirk because he didn't go to Auburn like Charles wanted him to.

[TheManFromAcme]

Dirk is a great player no doubt and at this point, he's a walking mismatch in the NBA. Back in the day, a prime KG was perhaps the only player who has the speed, height, size, and athleticism to make him work. Bruce Bowen did a decent job on him in the past and sometimes, Battier too.

The point is, you need a great defender to make him work and right now, there's simply no one who can guard him one-on-one.

this

[TD 21]

Psssst guys I think he is serious

1. You can call Dirk one dimensional all you want the fact is he has many ways to score. Even if he was one dimensional if you can't stop that it doesn't matter. People usually criticize one dimensional player because once the opposing team does something to stop that one aspect of the players game then that player can't do anything. If you can't stop it, it doesn't matter.

2. Dirk is 7ft tall and he shoots what seems to be a difficult shot and make them consistently. That is amazing. He efficiently scores a lot of points. That makes him a great scorer.

3. Dirk hasn't played with the a top 50pg his entire career. He hasn't played for a team that focuses on defense. You can't win without help and a coach that stresses defense.

4. Are you seriously knocking Dirk because they can't guard him. Everything you said was a complement to Dirk. He 7ft shooting jump shots and making them= complement. He's being guarded by two 6-10 guys but scores at will so that is supposedly "uncontested"=complement. A two inch advantage is not a big deal. Apparently you didn't see Kidd guarding Kobe and thats at least a three inch difference.

5. Pretty sure he was the coach of the year last year.

6. It is pretty impressive that he is ting on anyone that guards him at his age.

7. Once again you try to knock Dirk with complements.

8. No one care what you rate Dirk.

9. It wouldn't be idiotic at all to say Dirk is the second best Pf of all time if he wins the championship this year. How many other players can say they won a championship without a second option. I've said it before if he beats the Heat it will be one of the single most impressive accomplishments in Nba history. Winning without a second option would put him above Kg. The ring plus his finals appearance plus all his individual accomplishments should put him ahead of every other Pf not named Tim Duncan.

1. He is one dimensional. He excels at scoring and nothing else. He has definitely become a more complete scorer, though, as he's aged.

2. For a legit 7-0 player, which he is, with outstanding touch, which he has, those are easy, uncontested shots. It's no different than O'Neal in his prime flat out bulldozing people in the paint. But when he got by on physical tools, it was recognized as such. When Nowitzki does it, the masses slobber.

3. Nowitzki has played on a team that annually has a top three payroll. Sure, he hasn't had a legit second option since the days of Nash and Finley, but he's had tons of depth and loads of near All-Star types.

4. He can be guarded if he's going to be played straight up by guys 2-5 inches shorter than him. He's 7-0 and has a high release point, which means they have no chance at bothering his shot.

5. Coach of the Year is a joke award given to teams that surprise/overachieve. It has nothing to do with coaching a en.

6 and 7. Age is not a factor with him, because he plays as easy a game as possible. That's not a knock, that's the reality. Bryant, Duncan and Garnett are declining because they have more mileage and harder mileage, because of how they've played.

8. Sure they do.

9. It absolutely would be. Garnett was an outstanding all around player in his prime. There's only one reason anyone would rate Nowitzki ahead of him.

See what I mean. I didn't even criticize him and yet a bunch of clowns criticize me just because I don't overrate him. If it's not racial bias, you tell me why he's so beloved by media and fans alike, then? Even their most bitter rivals fans, as a whole, have an affinity for him (which is pathetic).

dirk4mvp, I didn't mean it that way. I meant that I think Barkley took the criticism to mean that he didn't like him because he was white. So now he goes overboard in his praise of him.

[Homeland Security]

1. He is one dimensional. He excels at scoring and nothing else. He has definitely become a more complete scorer, though, as he's aged.

2. For a legit 7-0 player, which he is, with outstanding touch, which he has, those are easy, uncontested shots. It's no different than O'Neal in his prime flat out bulldozing people in the paint. But when he got by on physical tools, it was recognized as such. When Nowitzki does it, the masses slobber.

3. Nowitzki has played on a team that annually has a top three payroll. Sure, he hasn't had a legit second option since the days of Nash and Finley, but he's had tons of depth and loads of near All-Star types.

4. He can be guarded if he's going to be played straight up by guys 2-5 inches shorter than him. He's 7-0 and has a high release point, which means they have no chance at bothering his shot.

5. Coach of the Year is a joke award given to teams that surprise/overachieve. It has nothing to do with coaching a en.

6 and 7. Age is not a factor with him, because he plays as easy a game as possible. That's not a knock, that's the reality. Bryant, Duncan and Garnett are declining because they have more mileage and harder mileage, because of how they've played.

8. Sure they do.

9. It absolutely would be. Garnett was an outstanding all around player in his prime. There's only one reason anyone would rate Nowitzki ahead of him.

See what I mean. I didn't even criticize him and yet a bunch of clowns criticize me just because I don't overrate him. If it's not racial bias, you tell me why he's so beloved by media and fans alike, then? Even their most bitter rivals fans, as a whole, have an affinity for him (which is pathetic).

dirk4mvp, I didn't mean it that way. I meant that I think Barkley took the criticism to mean that he didn't like him because he was white. So now he goes overboard in his praise of him.

LOL at the degree of butthurt here. Nowitzki is so "beloved" by the media that he DIDN'T make All-NBA first team in what was one of his best overall seasons, and so "beloved" by fans that he DOESN'T sniff the top 15 in jersey sales.

Hardly anybody gives a crap about Dirk Nowitzki outside of Dallas and Germany. If you're butthurt about his being overrated in those places, get a grip. If he's being discussed right now nationally, it's because he is the best player on one of the only four teams still playing, and because since he's never won anything he might be the beneficiary of a little benign sentiment.

[TD 21]

LOL at the degree of butthurt here. Nowitzki is so "beloved" by the media that he DIDN'T make All-NBA first team in what was one of his best overall seasons, and so "beloved" by fans that he DOESN'T sniff the top 15 in jersey sales.

Hardly anybody gives a crap about Dirk Nowitzki outside of Dallas and Germany. If you're butthurt about his being overrated in those places, get a grip. If he's being discussed right now nationally, it's because he is the best player on one of the only four teams still playing, and because since he's never won anything he might be the beneficiary of a little benign sentiment.

You're just another example of how the masses feel about him. I not only don't hate Nowitzki, I don't even dislike him. I'm indifferent towards him. I'm just not going to get caught up in the hype and slobber over him, because he's a white guy who's amongst the best players in the world. Amidst all the points, I recognize his shortcomings. If that's interpreted as being "butthurt" or "hating", then so be it.

[Red Hawk #21]

Why is TD21 so mad?

[Nathan89]

1. He is one dimensional. He excels at scoring and nothing else. He has definitely become a more complete scorer, though, as he's aged.

2. For a legit 7-0 player, which he is, with outstanding touch, which he has, those are easy, uncontested shots. It's no different than O'Neal in his prime flat out bulldozing people in the paint. But when he got by on physical tools, it was recognized as such. When Nowitzki does it, the masses slobber.

3. Nowitzki has played on a team that annually has a top three payroll. Sure, he hasn't had a legit second option since the days of Nash and Finley, but he's had tons of depth and loads of near All-Star types.

4. He can be guarded if he's going to be played straight up by guys 2-5 inches shorter than him. He's 7-0 and has a high release point, which means they have no chance at bothering his shot.

5. Coach of the Year is a joke award given to teams that surprise/overachieve. It has nothing to do with coaching a en.

6 and 7. Age is not a factor with him, because he plays as easy a game as possible. That's not a knock, that's the reality. Bryant, Duncan and Garnett are declining because they have more mileage and harder mileage, because of how they've played.

8. Sure they do.

9. It absolutely would be. Garnett was an outstanding all around player in his prime. There's only one reason anyone would rate Nowitzki ahead of him.

See what I mean. I didn't even criticize him and yet a bunch of clowns criticize me just because I don't overrate him. If it's not racial bias, you tell me why he's so beloved by media and fans alike, then? Even their most bitter rivals fans, as a whole, have an affinity for him (which is pathetic).

dirk4mvp, I didn't mean it that way. I meant that I think Barkley took the criticism to mean that he didn't like him because he was white. So now he goes overboard in his praise of him.

1. Yeah if he had to guard a great offensive player in this series like..um..um Pau Gasol he would be ed. The guy is good enough at everything and then excels at scoring. If that makes him one dimensional then so be it. All I know is he has been the most dominate player in the playoffs and he doesn't even have a second option. He is winning without a second option. It doesn't matter if you call him "one dimensional" if he is the most dominate player in the playoffs. That means he excels so much at that "one dimension" and is good enough at other aspects of the game to make him better than everyone that played in the playoffs this year.

2. Just because a 7-0 player can hit jumpers in the face of 6-10 players all day doesn't make it an "uncontested shot". It makes him a great/unstoppable player. O'Neal bulldozing player is getting by on his physical abilities. Dirk hitting fade away jumpers is not getting by on his physical abilities it's getting by on his skill. Shooting is a skill,FYI.

3. High payroll doesn't mean on the court. I know you think Marion and Haywood are superstars but they are not.

4. Once again two inches is not a big deal. I guess you didn't see Kidd guarding Kobe. The only reason you see guys that are 5 inches shorter guarding him is because the Thunder is desperate for a solution.

5. He is still a professional coach and believe me he has or will tell his players the best way to guard Dirk. They may or may not be able to execute.

9. If he wins a championship this year that means he has won and lost a finals without a second option. That's getting the job done and all that matters is getting the job done. Saying he is second best over Malone(who couldn't win with a top 50 player),Charles(who couldn't win,or Kg(who only won when he joined Pierce,Allen,and Rondo) is not a stretch. You are the one overrating certain aspects of what makes a great player. Winning with a team without a second option is hard to overrate.

*Bold=compliments

[Kyle Orton]

lol someone saying Malone was less overrated than anyone else

[TD 21]

1. Yeah if he had to guard a great offensive player in this series like..um..um Pau Gasol he would be ed. The guy is good enough at everything and then excels at scoring. If that makes him one dimensional then so be it. All I know is he has been the most dominate player in the playoffs and he doesn't even have a second option. He is winning without a second option. It doesn't matter if you call him "one dimensional" if he is the most dominate player in the playoffs. That means he excels so much at that "one dimension" and is good enough at other aspects of the game to make him better than everyone that played in the playoffs this year.

2. Just because a 7-0 player can hit jumpers in the face of 6-10 players all day doesn't make it an "uncontested shot". It makes him a great/unstoppable player. O'Neal bulldozing player is getting by on his physical abilities. Dirk hitting fade away jumpers is not getting by on his physical abilities it's getting by on his skill. Shooting is a skill,FYI.

3. High payroll doesn't mean on the court. I know you think Marion and Haywood are superstars but they are not.

4. Once again two inches is not a big deal. I guess you didn't see Kidd guarding Kobe. The only reason you see guys that are 5 inches shorter guarding him is because the Thunder is desperate for a solution.

5. He is still a professional coach and believe me he has or will tell his players the best way to guard Dirk. They may or may not be able to execute.

9. If he wins a championship this year that means he has won and lost a finals without a second option. That's getting the job done and all that matters is getting the job done. Saying he is second best over Malone(who couldn't win with a top 50 player),Charles(who couldn't win,or Kg(who only won when he joined Pierce,Allen,and Rondo) is not a stretch. You are the one overrating certain aspects of what makes a great player. Winning with a team without a second option is hard to overrate.

*Bold=compliments

1. He's one dimensional. He's not above average at anything but scoring. If he were black, he'd be knocked for his lack of rebounding/shot blocking/overall defensive presence.

2. He's 7-0, with a high release point. They're uncontested shots. Big deal if there's an extended hand near his face; they're not bothering his shot. His shooting is a skill, obviously, but it's who he's often defended by and how he's often defended that makes it easy on him.

3. High payroll doesn't guarantee anything, but it gives you a lot better chance at being good than not. Everyone talks about the lack of a true number two, but he's had tons of depth and talent around him over the years.

4. It is when a guy is 7-0, with a high release point. On the perimeter, it's different.

9. He also choked away game 3 of the '06 Finals. Lost, in his prime, to an 8th seed that wasn't built for playoff success and followed that up with two other 1st round exits.

[dirk4mvp]

one of 5 guys in NBA history to average 25/10 in the playoffs, he doesn't do anything else but score


I don't even see spurfan get this mad and upset over JET, much less Dirk. Take a step back and watch greatness as he takes a wet all over the Thunder.

[Nathan89]

1. He's one dimensional. He's not above average at anything but scoring. If he were black, he'd be knocked for his lack of rebounding/shot blocking/overall defensive presence.

2. He's 7-0, with a high release point. They're uncontested shots. Big deal if there's an extended hand near his face; they're not bothering his shot. His shooting is a skill, obviously, but it's who he's often defended by and how he's often defended that makes it easy on him.

3. High payroll doesn't guarantee anything, but it gives you a lot better chance at being good than not. Everyone talks about the lack of a true number two, but he's had tons of depth and talent around him over the years.

4. It is when a guy is 7-0, with a high release point. On the perimeter, it's different.

9. He also choked away game 3 of the '06 Finals. Lost, in his prime, to an 8th seed that wasn't built for playoff success and followed that up with two other 1st round exits.

1. His lack of rebounding is in large part due to him taking outside jumpers. I guess you want him to rebound his missed shots. Yeah Zbo was really hearing from all the Nba commentators about his inability to block shots and defend. It's just too bad Zbo is black, he didn't deserve all that criticism.

2. The best teams in the league can't guard him, they just don't have the personnel or the defensive schemes to stop dirk. Do you realize that is what you just said.

3. Depth is great but you need a number two.

9. What happened to all that dominate depth you were speaking of in point #3. If he had a legitimate #2 I would assume he would have won the series. I assume because I didn't watch the series but many people on this forum say the refs gave a ton of calls to the Heat. If that's true, then he could have possibly won with a game that was officiated evenly.

*Bold=compliments

[TD 21]

1. His lack of rebounding is in large part due to him taking outside jumpers. I guess you want him to rebound his missed shots. Yeah Zbo was really hearing from all the Nba commentators about his inability to block shots and defend. It's just too bad Zbo is black, he didn't deserve all that criticism.

2. The best teams in the league can't guard him, they just don't have the personnel or the defensive schemes to stop dirk. Do you realize that is what you just said.

3. Depth is great but you need a number two.

9. What happened to all that dominate depth you were speaking of in point #3. If he had a legitimate #2 I would assume he would have won the series. I assume because I didn't watch the series but many people on this forum say the refs gave a ton of calls to the Heat. If that's true, then he could have possibly won with a game that was officiated evenly.

*Bold=compliments

1. That somewhat explains offensive, not defensive. And no, he's not a great defensive rebounder and his overall rebound rate is sub par. Randolph takes plenty of jumpers and still dominates the offensive glass. Randolph doesn't get that criticism because he's not all that long and he's not athletic. Bosh, Stoudemire, etc., have been criticized for years, even though they're very good scorers, too.

2. Too many teams make it easy on him.

3. '94 Olajuwon didn't and neither did '03 Duncan.

9. So you didn't watch the series, but you're going to comment on it? Tell me, supposed Spurs fan, what is your obsession with the best player on one of their two main rivals?