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Such bull , there's really no reason for this. They're making an example out of him and totally ing over him and MMA fans.
Some may love this
Personally i think it's sad. He ed up but i hate to see him lose his career..
Sonnen's Fighting Future in Doubt
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles...in-Doubt-32466
LOS ANGELES -- The California State Athletic Commission voted 4-1 on Wednesday to uphold an indefinite suspension of middleweight Chael Sonnen. The decision effectively eliminates the possibility that Sonnen will be allowed to coach on the next season of “The Ultimate Fighter” opposite Michael Bisping, with Sonnen and his attorneys arguing prior to the ruling that it could signify the end of his MMA career.
On April 19, the commission announced that Sonnen was indefinitely suspended for two violations of the California Code of Regulations, le 4, Section 390. The section holds that licensees for boxing and MMA may have their licenses revoked for conduct which discredits their sport. Sonnen was found to have violated the section by making untruthful statements under oath at a Dec. 2 hearing and for pleading guilty to a charge of money laundering in the state of Oregon on April 8.
Sonnen’s difficulties with the commission began last August when he tested positive for an elevated testosterone level prior to his fight with Anderson Silva. Sonnen’s elevated testosterone and subsequent explanations became a source of great public scrutiny, but were largely irrelevant to today’s hearing.
Wednesday’s hearing focused specifically on the guilty plea for money laundering that came a month after his six month suspension was lifted as well as Sonnen’s specific remarks about alleged conversations with Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Officer Keith Kizer.
Karen Chappelle, the supervising deputy attorney general representing California, questioned whether Sonnen could be trusted to tell the truth. She labeled Sonnen’s money laundering conviction for knowingly issuing a kickback check a crime of deception and fraud. Additionally, she accused Sonnen of dishonesty in claiming that he had a conversation with Kizer which could only have taken place between Kizer and Sonnen’s then-manager, Matt Lindland, and may not have happened as Sonnen described.
Chappelle painted a portrait of Sonnen as a person who will say one thing and then readily change to another position if questioned on it. She thus argued against giving Sonnen another chance at this time.
“Everyone deserves a second chance. The question is: how many second chances?” Chappelle remarked during her opening statement.
Sonnen’s attorney, Steve Thompson, argued in response that the judge in the Oregon case gave Sonnen a lenient sentence because of his citizenship and remorse. He pointed to Sonnen’s community service and attached letters from parents whose children’s lives were positively impacted by Sonnen.
Regarding Sonnen’s comments about his alleged conversation with Kizer, Sonnen and his attorneys repeatedly focused on the adjective “imprecise” to describe Sonnen’s words. Thompson argued that Sonnen did the best he could in answering questions and that he had no intention to mislead.
Thompson suggested that when Sonnen referred to conversations “we” had with Kizer, it was his way of referencing Lindland. Thompson said that Sonnen’s language was being parsed unfairly and that Sonnen never said “I” spoke to Kizer, only “we.” Kizer responded on video from Nevada by pointing out another part of Sonnen’s affidavit where Sonnen said the Nevada commission “told me” as opposed to “told us.”
Finally, Sonnen and his attorneys sought to influence the commission by describing the stark contrast in Sonnen’s future life depending on whether the commission ruled in his favor. Sonnen said he is working two non-MMA jobs presently and that it is a tough situation. He added that if his license remains suspended, UFC President Dana White has informed him that he will effectively be retired.
If, on the other hand, the commission ended Sonnen’s suspension, Sonnen could attempt to become licensed in Nevada. Sonnen noted that he had a “once-in-a-lifetime opportunity” in 18 days to coach on the 14th season of “The Ultimate Fighter” opposite Michael Bisping. Sonnen claimed that the winner of a bout between himself and Bisping would become No. 1 contender for the middleweight le and receive a le bout on free television. Sonnen said that this would be the biggest fight in the history of MMA.
“I’ve worked for this chance my whole life, since I was nine, and I don’t want to retire today,” Sonnen stated soberly and deliberately. “I volunteered in my community 18 hours a week the last decade. Never had a drop of alcohol in my life. Never smoked anything. I’m dubbed by Sports Illustrated and ESPN the greatest [Sonnen spelled out an expletive] talker in all of sports. The reality is I’ve never used profanity. Using [spelled-out expletive] a moment ago is the closest I’ve come to using profanity. I’m truly embarrassed from the last hearing and until now... I will not make these mistakes again. I will not ask for forgiveness again. Please just let me go back to work.”
The commission proved unsympathetic to Sonnen’s claims. Each commissioner cited both the Oregon conviction and Sonnen’s December testimony as reasons for upholding his suspension, while focusing more on his testimony.
“Past actions are the best indicator of future performance,” Commissioner Eugene Hernandez remarked in voicing his concern about Sonnen’s future conduct.
Commissioner Dr. Christopher Giza questioned Sonnen and his counsel’s repeated use of the word “precise.” He suggested that Sonnen was not imprecise, but rather untruthful.
Commissioner John Frierson said that he is an advocate of second chances, but that he found it very hard to give a second chance in this case.
Only Commissioner Anthony Thompson voted against a motion to uphold Sonnen’s suspension. There was little debate, with the commission alternating criticisms of Sonnen at the end of the hearing.
Prior to the final vote, Sonnen’s friends and family in attendance voiced their frustrations with the, by then, obvious decision. Sonnen’s mother stood up during public comments to make some of the day’s most effective remarks in favor of Sonnen. She noted that Sonnen doesn’t always pay close attention in reference to his remarks about Kizer. She added that Sonnen needs testosterone and that the commission could decide on that prior to his fight. She then concluded by emotionally defending her son’s character.
“Why would anyone bring up that they were approved in Nevada if they knew it was a lie?” she asked. “He didn’t need that to get past the commission in California. He believed it because he was told that. Some of this just needs to get down to basic common sense. You’re talking about suspending his license indefinitely. He’s done if you do that! This kid has not slept. He’s hardly eaten. He is remorseful. He is sorry whether you keep his license or throw it away.”
Following the commission’s ruling, one of Sonnen’s attorneys continued to plead with the commission to reconsider. He spoke of all the positive things Sonnen could do for the commission to show his remorse, while the rest of the room began to pack up and depart. Eventually, Sonnen’s side was informed that there could be no further discussions between attorneys and the commission after the conclusion of the hearing.
Sonnen’s team gathered in the lobby of the downtown state building minutes later. They passionately argued amongst themselves about the ruling. A resigned and stoic Sonnen stood away from the circle, looking downward and not engaging with the others.
Last edited by dbreiden83080; 07-06-2011 at 11:12 PM.
Such bull , there's really no reason for this. They're making an example out of him and totally ing over him and MMA fans.
It is too much.. Tyson got denied a license to fight in Vegas for the Lewis fight and Memphis picked it right up. But because Sonnen is a UFC fighter and the UFC wants to stay on good terms with all the commissions they are leaving him out in the cold here..
Basically this new info says that he can't re-apply until May of 2012. And the NSAC upholds suspensions from other states, so he is ed here for at least 1 more year which would make him 35 on the comeback trail.. There is no athletic commission in the UK , so if he is cut by the UFC maybe he takes a fight or 2 there.. His UFC career may be over with this ruling. Chael should have kept quiet until all the dust settled, he screwed up really bad.. But they came down on him too hard..
This was the new info i found..
http://mmajunkie.com/news/23660/chae...revocation.mma
The head of the California State Athletic Commission said today that a vote Wednesday to uphold the indefinite suspension of Chael Sonnen is being treated as a license revocation in evaluating the fighter's future licensing prospects in the state.
CSAC Executive Director George Dodd today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) that Sonnen will be free to apply for a new fight license on May 18, 2012, or one year to date from the denial of his appeal to remove his current suspension, which runs to June 29 of this year.
"Indefinite suspension is a form of a revocation of a license," he said.
As a basis for the decision, Dodd cited a statute from the California Code of Regulations le 4 Rule 399, which states that applicants who have been denied an application for a license may not file a similar application until one year from the date of the last previous denial by the commission.
The statute also states that any applicant who has had a license revoked may not pe ion for reinstatement or apply for a new license until one year after the date of such revocation, and that any pe ion for reinstatement filed within the one year period may be denied without the necessity of a hearing.
Although Sonnen has not been denied a license – his current license is suspended until June 29 – and his license was not revoked on Wednesday, Dodd said CSAC's legal team decided that the statute still applies.
"That allows us not to keep on seeing (an applicant) every month after month," he said. "He's got to do some form of rehabilitation to be seen in front of the commission before then."
Following Wednesday's hearing, Dodd initially told MMAjunkie.com that Sonnen would be eligible to file for a new license on June 29, 2012, though he later said it would be decided on Thursday whether the commission would treat the suspension as a revocation.
Until June 29, Sonnen's name will remain on a registry that tracks fighters' medical and administrative suspensions, and a note will be placed thereafter on his file that asks commissions in other states to call the CSAC if he files an application there.
At Wednesday's hearing, Sonnen's legal representatives begged the CSAC to end the fighter's current suspension on June 5, the final date in which he'd be eligible to gain a second's license in Nevada to coach on "The Ultimate Fighter 14." Sonnen told the commission that he had been offered a spot opposite Michael Bisping on the reality show with a No. 1 contender's bout waiting afterward. The CSAC ignored the request and voted 4-1 in favor of upholding the suspension.
Nevada State Athletic Commission Keith Kizer said a second's license is out of the question before Sonnen's current suspension ends, though the restrictions will be lifted after June 29.
"My understanding is that he's free to apply for either license after June 29," Kizer said today. "However, he will have to appear before the commission on those applications. Before that date, we have to honor the California suspensions."
could someone give me the 10 peso version cause from what I'm seeing it's a bunch of bureaucratic bull getting involved in a sport. I know of his crimes in money laundering or whatever but what's that have to do with his career as an athlete?
these are serious questions, I kinda skimmed through the whole thing
average fighter, average career..
This is pretty much it
CSAC executive officer George Dodd said the action was taken because the panel's legal counsel felt Sonnen may have perjured himself during testimony at an appeal hearing in December related to his ban for elevated levels of testosterone, which at 16.9 was four times higher than the state's allowable testosterone-to-epitestosterone ratio.
The suspension, issued two weeks ago by the CSAC, puts Sonnen on the national database used by regulators to monitor medical and administrative bans, and asks North American regulatory bodies to contact California before issuing the UFC middleweight contender a license to compete, corner, promote or act as a manager.
Basically they say he perjured himself and can re-apply in a year. Till then he is out since nobody else will license him in the US. He needs to leave the country to fight..
CSAC changes mind, UFC's Chael Sonnen free to apply for license after June 29 http://bit.ly/jObPSF
yeah!! The commission was making everyone freak out, glad this can get resolved in time for the next TUF!
Not sure..
They said Chael needed to re-apply in Nevada by June 5th to do the show. If and it's a big IF Chael gets the new license in CA before July, he still needs to get Kizer to stop being a -head and give him a new one in Nevada.. UFC needs the show for the fall so how long can they wait??
I still think he could be out for a year or more..
Edit.. They are saying on Sherdog that he will likely just go right to Nevada after the 29th since his suspension will be over in CA
Last edited by dbreiden83080; 05-20-2011 at 07:19 PM.
That's the problem with fighting. The best fighters get blackballed and we are denied what we would otherwise pay to see. I don't care if the guy killed a family of 5 with a grease gun and a stapler, I want to see these guys kill each other in the ring.
Everyone's all excited over this dude because he gave Silva a tough fight when he was loaded with steroids. gmafb
get familiar with the story before talking
steroids or not, the dude has had a sub-par career and is known to choke in every big fight he gets, but continues to talk
i come in this thread to say good riddance to this piece of only to scroll down and find this
He doesn't deserve to lose his career over this crapi come in this thread to say good riddance to this piece of only to scroll down and find this
Rampage almost killed a pregnant lady driving down the interstate and never even missed a days work in the UFC..
Heads Up: Chael Sonnen's Suspension Was Lifted Today. brk.to/16bn
http://www.cagepotato.com/heads-up-c...-lifted-today/
Boo ya.
Good luck to Sonnen trying to apply for a license in Nevada. Keith Kizer is just waiting to slap him for all of his re ed trolling and lying. And let us not forget the newest nugget to come out following Nate's firing, you can't get a TUE in Nevada if you have gotten popped previously for a failed drug test.
Sonnen is overated anyways
Head over to UFC.com they are actively promoting him again. Dana says he'll be back soon.. His license issues appeared resolved or soon will be..
"I think a lot of people want to see Chael Sonnen fight," White told MMAFighting reporter Ariel Helwani. "I am sure he is ready to get back and start working again. He's another guy who has made some bad choices and made some mistakes, he's paid his dues and now he gets to come back and do things smarter this time."
I know people want to see GSP VS. Silva. What about GSP VS. Sonnen? Would love to see GSP shut the the two biggest mouths in the UFC.
Seriously man, do you think you are going to lie about talking with the Nevada State Athletic Commissioner, as part of your alibi, and he is just going to forget about that? Yeah he served his suspension for California, but if he wants to fight in Vegas again then he can expect to have to eat some serious humble pie before Kizer lets that happen.
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