Gingrich Calls GOP Medicare Plan 'Right-Wing Social Engineering'

[TeyshaBlue]

A typical person would have bailed out on page one.

But at this point, it's not possible for WC to make any bigger fool of himself, so I guess he's playing with house money here.

Your lack of integrity is showing, DMX.

[RandomGuy]

I have been without healthcare for myself and family at times. I have paid out of pocket. It's not as expensive as you think it is when the doctors get cash payment. They don't have to fill out all that extra paperwork that gets audited and kicked back for any stupid reason. Paid on the spot, their prices are amazingly less if you shop around.

The costs billed by providers to insurance companies includes overhead provisions that recover the costs of people who don't/can't pay.

They are giving you a price, which, if given to everybody, would make them go bankrupt.

You are getting a discount at below long-term costs, essentially.

Oddly enough you have touched on one of the benefits of a single payor system, i.e. efficiency of claims processing by providers.

[ChumpDumper]

The costs billed by providers to insurance companies includes overhead provisions that recover the costs of people who don't/can't pay.

They are giving you a price, which, if given to everybody, would make them go bankrupt.

You are getting a discount at below long-term costs, essentially.

Why does WC insist on mooching off of responsible people?

[LnGrrrR]

An “individual mandate,” he added, should be applied “when the larger health-care system has been fundamentally changed.”

Ha! See? He said should! That invalidates your whole argument! [/WC]

[TeyshaBlue]

Ha! See? He said should! That invalidates your whole argument! [/WC]

Dammit!

[George Gervin's Afro]

WC still getting beaten over the head..where's darrins to bail you out?

[Wild Cobra]

You need a cardiac stent. You have $125K cash?

Something weird in your lungs. You got $25K cash?

Umbilical hernia, really boring, 100Ks done per year. $16K cash.

etc, etc.

People who are living from paycheck to paycheck, 10Ms of them, don't have $10Ks in their pockets.

I'm one that would be content to die if necessary.

I have different outlooks than most of you. I'm not afraid of dying. I am at peace with my soul.

[clambake]

I'm one that would be content to die if necessary.

I have different outlooks than most of you. I'm not afraid of dying. I am at peace with my soul.

hey, dumbass, EMT's will not (unfortunately) just sit and watch you die.

un ingbelievable that you still need the nanny state.

[Wild Cobra]

MR. GREGORY: What about en lements? The Medicare trust fund, in stories that have come out over the weekend, is now going to be depleted by 2024, five years earlier than predicted. Do you think that Republicans ought to buck the public opposition and really move forward to completely change Medicare, turn it into a voucher program where you give seniors...
REP. GINGRICH: Right.
MR. GREGORY: ...some premium support and--so that they can go out and buy private insurance?
REP. GINGRICH: I don't think right-wing social engineering is any more desirable than left-wing social engineering. I don't think imposing radical change from the right or the left is a very good way for a free society to operate.

Stop thinking. You're not very good at it.

Bottom line, you completely fail at intellectual honesty. You wouldn't recognize a reasonable person or position if they bit you on your ass.

Bull , you fail. You missed the verification part. Where is your critical thinking?

I not only read the transcript, but watched the video. I'm glad you posted this, but wish I noticed the inconsistency earlier. MSNBC is lying with that posted transcript!

I should have been more careful since that is their MO...

MR. GREGORY: What about en lements? The Medicare trust fund, in stories that have come out over the weekend, is now going to be depleted by 2024, five years earlier than predicted. Do you think that Republicans ought to buck the public opposition and really move forward to completely change Medicare, turn it into a voucher program where you give seniors some premium support and--so that they can go out and buy private insurance?
REP. GINGRICH: I don't think right-wing social engineering is any more desirable than left-wing social engineering. I don't think imposing radical change from the right or the left is a very good way for a free society to operate.

They added words he never said. Gregory went on without interruption. Watch this YouTube, starting at 5:54, you will see I'm right.



If you lazy asses would actually verify these things, you might learn something.

[Wild Cobra]

It is a long established pattern.

Topic of article:
Should impacts of reduced pollution on health costs be considered when calculating costs/benefits of proposed air pollution legilstation?

The main point of the article was that the CBO was considering doing this to make their estimates a bit more comprehensive.

WC's immediate take on that was that the AP journalist was biased, so we couldn't believe the article, despite the fact that the journalist directly quoted a CBO official.

When pressed on the fact of whether or not the articles depiction of the internal debate was accurate, he then went off on the definition of "pollution" or something similar, and then went even further fixating on one word in the article that was given as a plural when it should have been a singular to be more technically accurate.

This was then used as a logical reason to completely discount the entire thrust of the article somehow, and how silly liberals were to think that including health costs in calculation of the costs of air pollution should be considered.

I was left shaking my head at that one.

But you are wrong. Look at my previous post and watch the video, advanced to 5:54.

[Wild Cobra]

It's not a lack of integrity on our part, WC. It's your appalling lack of intellectual honesty. I'll just post this again so you can continue your demonstration of an utter lack of comprehension.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/gue...newt-gingrich/
In a June 2007 op-ed in the Des Moines Register, Gingrich wrote, “Personal responsibility extends to the purchase of health insurance. Citizens should not be able to cheat their neighbors by not buying insurance, particularly when they can afford it, and expect others to pay for their care when they need it.” An “individual mandate,” he added, should be applied “when the larger health-care system has been fundamentally changed.”
And in several of his many policy and politics-focused books, Gingrich offered much the same.
In 2008′s “Real Change,” he wrote, “Finally, we should insist that everyone above a certain level buy coverage (or, if they are opposed to insurance, post a bond). Meanwhile, we should provide tax credits or subsidize private insurance for the poor.”
In 2005′s “Winning the Future,” he expanded on the idea in more detail: “You have the right to be part of the lowest-cost insurance pool and you have a responsibility to buy insurance. … We need some significant changes to ensure that every American is insured, but we should make it clear that a 21st Century Intelligent System requires everyone to participate in the insurance system.”
“People whose income is too low should receive Medicaid vouchers and tax credits to buy insurance,” he continued. “Large risk pools (association health plans are one model) should be established so low-income people can buy insurance as inexpensively as large corporations. Furthermore, it should be possible to buy your health insurance on-line to lower the cost as much as possible.

Did you break that link purposely so I couldn't read it?

Also, I couldn't find that quote at the Des Moines Register archives.

Another lie in transcript like the one I exposed a few posts back?

I suggest you find the original Op Ed and read it in context.

[ChumpDumper]

Bull , you fail. You missed the verification part. Where is your critical thinking?

I not only read the transcript, but watched the video. I'm glad you posted this, but wish I noticed the inconsistency earlier. MSNBC is lying with that posted transcript!

I should have been more careful since that is their MO...

They added words he never said. Gregory went on without interruption. Watch this YouTube, starting at 5:54, you will see I'm right.



If you lazy asses would actually verify these things, you might learn something.

I watched it.

Newt did say what is written in the transcript.

[ChumpDumper]

Did you break that link purposely so I couldn't read it?

The search to find the link took 0.61 seconds.

See if you can do it.

[clambake]

what the is this moocher even doing in this thread?

[ChumpDumper]

I'll refrain from calling you an outright liar and conclude you didn't hear Newt say "Right."

Is that the case?

[Wild Cobra]

I watched it.

Newt did say what is written in the transcript.

He did not say "Right" between Gregory's words.

[Wild Cobra]

The search to find the link took 0.61 seconds.

See if you can do it.

Just of chump monkeybot.

I found it right after I posted that reply as well. Problem is, it's sections of quotes, not in context. He could have meant anything other than how it appears by it's layout.

How many times have I pointed out that context and accuracy is important?

Why are you OK with misconstruing the truth?

[ChumpDumper]

He did not say "Right" between Gregory's words.

He said it just after Gregory started saying "seniors."

Is this really an issue to you?

He said the word.

It's in the transcript.

Either you didn't hear it or you are lying.

Which is it?

[ChumpDumper]

Just of chump monkeybot.

I found it right after I posted that reply as well. Problem is, it's sections of quotes, not in context. He could have meant anything other than how it appears by it's layout.

How many times have I pointed out that context and accuracy is important?

Why are you OK with misconstruing the truth?

Just what do you think a transcript is, WC?

[ChumpDumper]

Just of chump monkeybot.

I found it right after I posted that reply as well. Problem is, it's sections of quotes, not in context. He could have meant anything other than how it appears by it's layout.

How many times have I pointed out that context and accuracy is important?

Why are you OK with misconstruing the truth?

Accuracy isn't important to you.

You left out a word Newt said.

Why are you lying about it?

[Wild Cobra]

Accuracy isn't important to you.

You left out a word Newt said.

Why are you lying about it?

LOL...

I link the evidence, and you still say I'm wrong...

LOL...

LOL...

You are such a useful idiot for the left.

[ChumpDumper]

LOL...

I link the evidence, and you still say I'm wrong...

LOL...

LOL...

You are such a useful idiot for the left.

Are you saying Newt never said "right" during that exchange (about 6:13 on the video)?

Yes or no.

[TeyshaBlue]

Look you ignorant , Newt supported a mandate, period. No amount of whining and your pathetic attempt at heaping your demented world view upon it is going to change that. ing ideologues like you, Darrin, boutons, nbadan share one singular trait...you suffer from a pathological inability to be wrong. ing delusional.

[Wild Cobra]

Are you saying Newt never said "right" during that exchange (about 6:13 on the video)?

Yes or no.

Yes...

If you put your noise cancelling headphones on and listen carefully, the low volume sound you hear is "no."

[ChumpDumper]

Yes...

If you put your noise cancelling headphones on and listen carefully, the low volume sound you hear is "no."

OK, if that's the case your "transcript" is inaccurate.

In addition, if it is "no," that actually supports the claim that Newt was expressing his dislike of the Ryan plan.

Either way, you're wrong.

I can live with that.

Thanks.