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    Gay was vastly improved as a defender this year. #fact

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    Gay was vastly improved as a defender this year. #fact
    So in other words, he went from Kyle Korver up to Richard Jefferson.

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    If only all teams could win for 14 years straight before having to rebuild, what a wonderful world.

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    Gay was vastly improved as a defender this year. #fact
    Especially in the playoffs. Nary a foul.

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    tbh about 60 games into the season Pop started cutting back on the running and gunning and that worked about as well as when Terry Porter tried to turn the Suns into a halfcourt team. They were doomed either way as soon as they signed the ginger and the gala to extensions in the offseason.
    This. The whole season was fool's gold.

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    This. The whole season was fool's gold.
    lol @ Laker fans angry they got swept and were completely healthy.

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    I almost sold my season tickets when I learned they resigned Bonner last year. RJ I wasn't that concerned about, hoped he'd go elsewhere like LA, but no. As much as everyone else hated him, I would rather had Bogans than RJ.

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    lol @ Laker fans angry they got swept and were completely healthy.
    Kobe had a stinger on the finger

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    lol @ Laker fans angry they got swept and were completely healthy.
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    Kobe had a stinger on the finger
    Forgot, the longstanding pinky injury he's been complaining about the past 4 years.

    lol @ most players in the league not even bringing up finger injuries, yet he's been talking about it for 4 years.

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    I must have missed when he proved he was a good defender.
    Yeah, obviously you have. Probably considering the only Grizzlies games you watched this year were the ones against San Antonio.





    Offensively, I would prefer Gay shooting ill-advised jump shots, rather than them going inside. If Gay plays that means him and Randolph are fighting for touches, which would be great for the Spurs.
    If those "ill-advised" jumpshots are going in at 47% and 40% from 3, obviously it was working.


    So a good defender and good scorer would somehow magically hurt a team?

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    Forgot, the longstanding pinky injury he's been complaining about the past 4 years.

    lol @ most players in the league not even bringing up finger injuries, yet he's been talking about it for 4 years.
    Ronnie Lott gets a toe removed so he can play....

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    lol still suffering uterine cramps over the Grizzlies series

    lol excuses

    lol grey

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    Yeah, obviously you have. Probably considering the only Grizzlies games you watched this year were the ones against San Antonio.







    If those "ill-advised" jumpshots are going in at 47% and 40% from 3, obviously it was working.


    So a good defender and good scorer would somehow magically hurt a team?
    According to those stats, Ray Allen and Richard Jefferson are some of the best defenders in the NBA. To me, that alone makes those stats worthless.

    As for the ill-advised shots, Bonner made 46% of his 3s in the regular season. Everything tightens up in the playoffs. Yes, I'd prefer him shooting than Randolph and Gasol getting paint touches.

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    Yeah, obviously you have. Probably considering the only Grizzlies games you watched this year were the ones against San Antonio.







    If those "ill-advised" jumpshots are going in at 47% and 40% from 3, obviously it was working.


    So a good defender and good scorer would somehow magically hurt a team?

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    The Grizzlies will be much better with Rudy next year fact. He was their closer b4 he got hurt and still is their best player.

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    Mike Dunleavy > Kobe

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    lol still suffering uterine cramps over the Grizzlies series

    lol excuses

    lol grey
    I suppose if Kobe went down with a serious injury, you'd just make it an afterthought, right?

    lol common sense

    lol how much of a life you don't have

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    geez, you get called out for saying Rudy Gay isn't a good defender and your best argument is the numbers must be lying?


    To me, that alone makes those stats worthless.


    As for the ill-advised shots, Bonner made 46% of his 3s in the regular season.

    Bonner doesn't take ill advised shots. All of his shots are spot ups off of kick outs. And what else does Bonner do on the court? He literally has no other basketball responsibilities other than catch and shoot.

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    The numbers don't tell the whole story. They never do.

    Richard ing Jefferson is = to Ron Artest? Are you serious? Do you believe that?

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    I suppose if Kobe went down with a serious injury, you'd just make it an afterthought, right?

    lol common sense

    lol how much of a life you don't have
    using excuses = mentally weak

    Lakers were without Bynum in the 2008 Finals and got face- ed in the frontcourt...but Bynum's injury wasn't the reason they lost. They choked away Game's 1 and 4 and played piss-poor down the stretch. The Celtics didn't, and proved they were better.

    The Spurs were mentally weak and were a gimmick team. It showed.

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    The numbers don't tell the whole story. They never do.

    But they absolutely do debunk his claim about Gay not proving himself as a good defender.

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    geez, you get called out for saying Rudy Gay isn't a good defender and your best argument is the numbers must be lying?
    I'm saying, based on the players that are on the list, the stat is quite obviously flawed terribly. The truth is there's no stat to quantify a player's defensive impact in terms of on-ball defense, you have to watch games for yourself.



    Bonner doesn't take ill advised shots. All of his shots are spot ups off of kick outs. And what else does Bonner do on the court? He literally has no other basketball responsibilities other than catch and shoot.
    I think you misunderstood, because I didn't word it exactly the way I should have. I should have just said, regular season numbers don't mean come playoff time, Matt Bonner shot 46% from the 3 during the regular season. Plus, him playing means one of their best defenders doesn't play nearly as much and it means less paint touches.

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    using excuses = mentally weak

    Lakers were without Bynum in the 2008 Finals and got face- ed in the frontcourt...but Bynum's injury wasn't the reason they lost. They choked away Game's 1 and 4 and played piss-poor down the stretch. The Celtics didn't, and proved they were better.

    The Spurs were mentally weak and were a gimmick team. It showed.
    There's no such as a 61 win gimmick team. If it could exist, other teams would be doing it every year. The Spurs hit a bad stretch of luck and played poorly at the wrong time.

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