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    Breaking....


    Obama proposes that Texas return to 1835 borders.


    Developing....
    You didn't read the speech, did you?

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    You didn't read the speech, did you?
    Actually, the first time I heard about it, I thought it was from The Onion.


    No, I have not read the speech in its entirety. Have you?

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    Oh and to answer your question, without a doubt it was the motivator.
    Now I'm wondering, why the prostration of the US before the wishes of the Israeli government?

    Feels like kind of a crusader state by proxy mentality.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Relax. I was just riffing on an earlier post you made where you threw out some ridiculous number like that.
    I figured as much but it just gives idiots like Viva, Darrin, and WC ammunition although I probably shouldn't care about that.

    Race is important to me as I believe its now that people have started to believe its a non issue it sneaks in and has a huge effect. Not to mention that systematic racism is just ignored because of the latter mentioned belief.

    In any event, my point with that statement was simply to prove how hypocritical these assholes who drape themselves in the Israeli flag and are ready to just hand them weapons and money are so quick to use the term white guilt when it comes to having to do with their own ing citizens.

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    Actually, the first time I heard about it, I thought it was from The Onion.


    No, I have not read the speech in its entirety. Have you?
    The ADL read it and praised it.

    Why do you hate the ADL, Darrin?

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    I think it's a by product of our earlier passive/agressive Defender role wherein we would almost cut off our left arm as a defense tactic. It's a weird dynamic.

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    Same question to you. Did guilt have anything to do with the creation of Israel. If not what were the forces behind it?
    don't lump me in your "white guilt" nonsense and try to justify it through me. That's your cross to bear.

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    don't lump me in your "white guilt" nonsense and try to justify it through me. That's your cross to bear.
    So you don't think guilt had anything to do with Israel's creation? What did then? Its a cross to bear for you to give an opinion on the creation of Israel?

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    I'll reiterate with a question. I think guilt was the primary motivator. I'm not sure how the descriptor "white guilt" fits tho?

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    Race is important to me
    I guess you have a bone to pick with MLK. Like I said. You're so full of , it isn't funny. MannyisFOS

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    The ADL read it and praised it.

    Why do you hate the ADL, Darrin?

    Those left wing Obama nut-huggers? That ADL? I'm sooooo shocked that they loved an Obama speech.

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    I'd be careful saying that "white guilt led to the creation of an entire country." Did it have a role? Probably. But the way you're spinning it makes ideologies like Zionism or European colonial rule in the region (which are more responsible, imho) seem like after thoughts.

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    Those left wing Obama nut-huggers? That ADL? I'm sooooo shocked that they loved an Obama speech.
    So you hate the ADL.

    Makes sense.

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    After studying the above list, I'm going with French Onion Soup. Manny is French Onion Soup.

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    We should really consider returning to our 1733 borders.

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    I'll reiterate with a question. I think guilt was the primary motivator. I'm not sure how the descriptor "white guilt" fits tho?
    Anglo dominated nations led to the creation of Israel due to the treatment of an ethnic group that they feel they allowed. I don't see a difference in using that term to describe American actions toward blacks or Jews.

    Don't get me wrong, its not my term. Its the term brought up by the likes of Darrin, Viva, and WC. Its cute Viva now tries to run from it that he's on the side of Israel, though.

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    Wait, what's the problem that people have with Obama's speech again?

    Is it that it's a concession to the Osama bin Ragheads over there or something?

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    Actually, the first time I heard about it, I thought it was from The Onion.


    No, I have not read the speech in its entirety. Have you?
    Yeah, I did. It's not that long. There's a link posted upstream.

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    We should really consider returning to our 1733 borders.
    Darrin, why did Israel give up the Sinai in 1979?

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    Race is important to me as I believe its now that people have started to believe its a non issue it sneaks in and has a huge effect. Not to mention that systematic racism is just ignored because of the latter mentioned belief.
    I agree to an extent. It's not a non-issue to many people still. At the same time, I think racism is cried far too often to the point where it's expansiveness is overblown by the "victim" races (read non-white) and dismissed as "boy who cried wolf" by the "majority."

    Some things I've seen racism called on are just pathetic, but you also see it happen with no-one saying a thing. It's a rather weird dynamic.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    I'd be careful saying that "white guilt led to the creation of an entire country." Did it have a role? Probably. But the way you're spinning it makes ideologies like Zionism or European colonial rule in the region (which are more responsible, imho) seem like after thoughts.
    There were definitely other factors. My point wasn't to pin the entirety of Israel's creation on one factor but to point out hypocrisy of others on a different subject that parallels this one.

    Its quite obvious I failed in making that point.

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    I agree to an extent. It's not a non-issue to many people still. At the same time, I think racism is cried far too often to the point where it's expansiveness is overblown by the "victim" races (read non-white) and dismissed as "boy who cried wolf" by the "majority."

    Some things I've seen racism called on are just pathetic, but you also see it happen with no-one saying a thing. It's a rather weird dynamic.
    I'd agree with this. I think actual instances of racism are more easily ignored because of this.

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    Its quite obvious I failed in making that point.
    Regardless of it's shortcomings, that was a fantastic attempt from a bowl of French Onion Soup.

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    Race is important to me as I believe its now that people have started to believe its a non issue it sneaks in and has a huge effect.

    The day race becomes a non-issue is the day that it can no longer be used as an excuse for mediocrity or as a weapon to smear political opponents.

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