I heard that Minny might want to trade the #2 pick

[tim_duncan_fan]

People still crying about the"Big 3"are being willfully ignorant. We keep Duncan and maybe Ginobili simply because they are legacy players. Everyone else can gtfo if it helps us in the long run. I would get rid of TP and his salary for an athletic small forward any day. Name a strong, athletic 6'8 player who isn't at least a borderline all-star.

I don't know who Derrick Williams is, but if he's built like Lebron or like Melo and we can draft him, then we do that without a pause.

All we'd have to lose is a different lottery pick by making the playoffs and flaming out in the 1st or 2nd round with the "Big 3."

[blizz]

People still crying about the"Big 3"are being willfully ignorant. We keep Duncan and maybe Ginobili simply because they are legacy players. Everyone else can gtfo if it helps us in the long run. I would get rid of TP and his salary for an athletic small forward any day. Name a strong, athletic 6'8 player who isn't at least a borderline all-star.

I don't know who Derrick Williams is, but if he's built like Lebron or like Melo and we can draft him, then we do that without a pause.

All we'd have to lose is a different lottery pick by making the playoffs and flaming out in the 1st or 2nd round with the "Big 3."

Word. It's time for one of them to move. It makes the most sense. Minnesota wanted a PG badly and thought they'd get one with the #1 pick. They didn't get it and they don't need anymore bigs or 3s. We NEED both of those, so they get their veteran PG, we get 3 players or so that we need and we stay relevant.

[blizz]

Are you guys seriously telling me we can't use this? This is exactly what we need. Do it pop....do it now.

[kaji157]

If we do trade tony to minesotta we should get Rubio's rights, #2, a complementary big, fillers.

[blizz]

I like that too Kaji

[Master splitter]

Pipe dream: Tony,hill,Blair,tiago, and rj for k-love, darco, Luke r, Rubio,+ 2nd pick(singleton) will fall to our laps.
C.Jordan Williams,Duncan,darco
Pf. K-love,Ryan Richards,Justin harper
Sf. Singleton,Anderson,Butler
Sg. Manu,Neal,D.lighty
Pg. Rubio,Luke r., nando de colo

[ChuckD]

Are you guys seriously telling me we can't use this? This is exactly what we need. Do it pop....do it now.

Highlight reel plays aren't a skill that translates from the NCAA to the NBA. It's like dunking on a traffic cone.

[baseline bum]

If we do trade tony to minesotta we should get Rubio's rights, #2, a complementary big, fillers.

Wow. Why not ask for Love too?

[BackHome]

Us trading Parker to Minny for there draft pick and another player makes sense. But no way do they give us the second round pick in this draft and give us Rubio a top draft pick in any draft...not going to happen.

[blizz]

Highlight reel plays aren't a skill that translates from the NCAA to the NBA. It's like dunking on a traffic cone.

Really? So you can do it? Why doesn't everyone do it? It shows his length, his athleticism, his footwork, his shot etc etc. If you can't see anything from that then you're ed in the head. You're probably one who was drooling watching Splitter's highlights when in Europe.

[TJastal]

Are you guys seriously telling me we can't use this? This is exactly what we need. Do it pop....do it now.

lol @ getting all worked up over a tweener who would regularily get his stuff swatted into the 4th row at the nba level

[Muser]

If we do trade tony to minesotta we should get Rubio's rights, #2, a complementary big, fillers.

Why would the Spurs want Rubio? He's a scrub.

[ChuckD]

Really? So you can do it? Why doesn't everyone do it? It shows his length, his athleticism, his footwork, his shot etc etc. If you can't see anything from that then you're ed in the head. You're probably one who was drooling watching Splitter's highlights when in Europe.

The irony of you bashing someone else for drooling at highlights is delicious.

I'm not against the concept of trading Parker at some point for picks, just not in this draft, There would have to be a Blake Griffin, or a John Wall, or a Derrick Rose type of player available, though, and this draft doesn't have one of those near ready All Star players available. You don't trade your best ing trade chip for anything less.

[Chieflion]

Minnesota is not trading their chance at getting a young franchise player, even if there is only a small chance, and get a declining Tony Parker instead.

[Ginobili2Duncan]

The franchise may as well blow up the team if they trade Parker. However, I would wait until next year's draft to do such a thing. The 2012 draft class is loaded with 3x as more talent than the class this year.

[BackHome]

The irony of you bashing someone else for drooling at highlights is delicious.

I'm not against the concept of trading Parker at some point for picks, just not in this draft, There would have to be a Blake Griffin, or a John Wall, or a Derrick Rose type of player available, though, and this draft doesn't have one of those near ready All Star players available. You don't trade your best ing trade chip for anything less.

Ok I think you might have put to much value on Parker he is good but he is not even close to Blake Griffin or Derrick Rose. I think Tony is probably a top five PG but he is not a top 20 NBA player.

The draft is weak but the top two guys are legit and the next 3 players I think have a good chance to become either starters or stars it just depends. The only reason we have a chance at looking at the second picks is cause this draft value is low if this was 2012 we probably could only be talking about pick ten and above for Tony.

Either through a trade for a player or a top 2-5 draft pick but do something.

[ChuckD]

Ok I think you might have put to much value on Parker he is good but he is not even close to Blake Griffin or Derrick Rose. I think Tony is probably a top five PG but he is not a top 20 NBA player.

The draft is weak but the top two guys are legit and the next 3 players I think have a good chance to become either starters or stars it just depends. The only reason we have a chance at looking at the second picks is cause this draft value is low if this was 2012 we probably could only be talking about pick ten and above for Tony.

Either through a trade for a player or a top 2-5 draft pick but do something.

Utah got THREE first round picks AND Devin Harris AND Derrick Favors for a guy who arguably destroyed their team from the coach on down. While Parker is a shade below DWill, he comes with much less baggage, is signed to a multiple year reasonable deal, and IS MOST CERTAINLY WORTH MORE THAN ONE HIGH PICK IN A TY DRAFT.

My question is why do YOU value our multiple Championship, multiple AS PG so low?

[Biggems]

Maybe we can include a 3rd team, merely to dump RJ and his contract.

if not

Parker, 2011 2nd for #2, 2011 2nd, Rubio, and Flynn

With the #2 we take SF Williams. With Minnesota's 2nd, we take Keith Benson (someone in the paint who will block and alter shots). We can use our 1st for either a Big or a PG.

[ALVAREZ6]

Just wanted to point out that the College 3 line is only 20 feet 6 inches. But if Arizona didn't go on that run, then perhaps Williams doesn't get that much pub? Think of it this way, years ago, Providence went crazy good and got to the Elite 8 and they had 2 stud players who got drafted. Austin Croshere, went in Round 1 and God Shammgod, in round 2. Where are they now and really, what kind of impact did they have in the Association?

I like Williams. He spent his High School and AAU years being overlooked and undervalued to the point that he actually ended up at Arizona as a secondary choice by the coaches. In essence, they brought him in because the guy they really wanted, didn't want to go to Arizona.
Despite that, while he is worthy of being a Top 5 pick in this year's draft, I'd liken his real value to be more like that of Danny Granger, who went #17 in his draft year. A solid player who should have gone higher based on his production now.

Sure, and having a Granger would be a great thing for the Spurs. I understand the college 3PT line is much shorter, but it shows the kid has a reliable outside jumper, another good thing. 57% for a whole season is no fluke, he can obviously shoot the ball from that range. It's not like you can say that outside shooting will not translate when the college shooter has a good percentage. JJ Red was a great college shooter and now is a solid NBA shooter.

Besides, his outside three point percentage is one of the last things that makes Derrick Williams a great prospect. It has much more to do with him being a tough, athletic SF who is 6'8" 241. He's not mental pussy like RJ either. He's an instant upgrade over RJ.


EDIT: The kid also averaged 60% FG for the season, which shows that he has good shot selection. I'm not saying he's going to come in and be an all-star right away, I'm saying he would make the Spurs a stronger team, while signing a player who has a long and positive future ahead of him.

[ALVAREZ6]

Utah got THREE first round picks AND Devin Harris AND Derrick Favors for a guy who arguably destroyed their team from the coach on down. While Parker is a shade below DWill, he comes with much less baggage, is signed to a multiple year reasonable deal, and IS MOST CERTAINLY WORTH MORE THAN ONE HIGH PICK IN A TY DRAFT.

My question is why do YOU value our multiple Championship, multiple AS PG so low?

Exactly


Whoever mentioned the possibility of trading Parker for a pick and those who continued discussing it are re ed, just one of the dumbest things I've heard. When I said I'd be willing to trade multiple guys, I meant guys like RJ, Hill, Blair, etc.

Why don't we go ahead and trade Ginobili for a #17 pick as well

[BackHome]

Utah got THREE first round picks AND Devin Harris AND Derrick Favors for a guy who arguably destroyed their team from the coach on down. While Parker is a shade below DWill, he comes with much less baggage, is signed to a multiple year reasonable deal, and IS MOST CERTAINLY WORTH MORE THAN ONE HIGH PICK IN A TY DRAFT.

My question is why do YOU value our multiple Championship, multiple AS PG so low?

Offcourse or I wouldn't be on this site...But I am kinda greedy I want more....I don't want to be on this site for the remaining years of my life talking about the good old day..lol

Ok.....not trying to be a smart ass but if you could move Tony to Minny would you take any of the bellow offers? Or what do you think we should get for Tony?

1.Tony > Second pick + Rubio + 2012 first rounder
2. Tony> Second pick + Beasley

[Muser]

Both of those deals are horrible. Rubio sucks so much ass and Beasley is an average/good tweener with ty D.

[SilverSpur]

I would trade RJ, Bonner, Quinn for the #2 , only if we get to keep are #29 and use it on the Thompkins kid from Georgia. Maybe throw in are 2nd if they ask for more. Paker retires a Spur and we hang his jersey in the rafters.

[Mel_13]

At least this year we only have to deal with the "trade Tony" crowd until June 30th. Then the lockout will begin and we'll get several months of blissful quiet.

Trades can aim for several different outcomes. These would include:

1. Improve the team in the short term.

2. Improve the team in the long term while taking a short term hit.

3. Improve the team's financial position which could possibly lead to long term improvement at the expense of short term setbacks.

Trading Tony can lead to option 2 or option 3. Maybe to both. I can't see how it leads to option 1. Which leads me to believe that the Spurs won't look to trade Tony before the summer of 2012.

[blizz]

The irony of you bashing someone else for drooling at highlights is delicious.
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You don't get it. I said that because you tried to discount what this guy can do based on a highlight reel when you were probably high on splitter based on his. This guy is already better than any 3 4 or 5 on our team and yes Im including TD. Look we can't just not do anything and expect to be contenders. Tony will be a year older next year and if he has another sub par year, his trade value will go down even more. I say do it now, do it for the pick and players and let's get young instantly and move on. Not that you asked me, but I value Tony so low cuz he just got his ass kicked by Mike in Conley.