I heard that Minny might want to trade the #2 pick

[Isitjustme?]

I would prefer RJ and Bonner to be shipped out this year

[Spurtacus]

Spurs get:
Jonny Flynn
Martell Webster
Ricky Rubio rights
#9 and #19 overall pick (from Charlotte)

Wolves get:
Tony Parker
Stephen Jackson
D.J. White
#29 overall pick (from San Antonio)

Bobcats get:
Michael Beasley
Darko Milicic
Anthony Tolliver
#2 overall pick (from Minnesota)

This trade DOES work in the Trade Machine. And lets be realistic...no way we're going to trade Bonner/RJ with their overpaid contracts.

Spurs would then draft Tristan Thompson PF and Chris Singleton/Jordan Hamilton SF with the #9 and #19 picks.

Potential Spurs depth chart:
C: Tiago Splitter, Tristan Thompson, Free agent signing/McDyess
PF: Tim Duncan, DeJuan Blair, Matt Bonner
SF: Richard Jefferson, Chris Singleton/Jordan Hamilton, Martell Webster, Da'Sean Butler
SG: Manu Ginobili, Gary Neal, James Anderson
PG: George Hill, Jonny Flynn, Ricky Rubio

We're trading Parker for Flynn, Webster, two 1st round draft picks and the rights to Ricky Rubio. We're at 16 players on my depth chart if Rubio comes over so someone would have to go either in trade or possibly cut (RJ, Bonner, Webster, Butler). Some of you may hate Rubio but he's a throw in at this point.

Parker says we're done. Maybe its time to move him then. This trade is basically an instant rebuild with a ton of youth injected into the lineup. On paper it feels like the team is crappier then the 10/11 team but really we are only losing Parker and maybe McDyess.

I worked on this for two hours. Please be kind.

[ChuckD]

You don't get it. I said that because you tried to discount what this guy can do based on a highlight reel when you were probably high on splitter based on his. This guy is already better than any 3 4 or 5 on our team and yes Im including TD. Look we can't just not do anything and expect to be contenders. Tony will be a year older next year and if he has another sub par year, his trade value will go down even more. I say do it now, do it for the pick and players and let's get young instantly and move on. Not that you asked me, but I value Tony so low cuz he just got his ass kicked by Mike in Conley.

OK, moving on from the irony. Tony won't lose value for another 2-3 years. I've already said I'm not averse to trading him. I am averse to giving him away for one unproven young player. He is NOT better than anyone 3-5 on our roster now because he's raw and never played an NBA game. He'll be pushed around and bullied for 2-3 years until he figures out how to stand his ground,

Tony is a multiple time A.S. pretty much at his peak. If Utah can get 3 first rounders, NJ's first round selection from the previous draft (Derrick Favors), and a starting PG for DWill, we can do a of a lot better than one ing pick. If Minny wants to throw 2-3 first rounders and 2 rotation players at us, I'll listen.

[blizz]

OK, moving on from the irony. Tony won't lose value for another 2-3 years. I've already said I'm not averse to trading him. I am averse to giving him away for one unproven young player. He is NOT better than anyone 3-5 on our roster now because he's raw and never played an NBA game. He'll be pushed around and bullied for 2-3 years until he figures out how to stand his ground,

Tony is a multiple time A.S. pretty much at his peak. If Utah can get 3 first rounders, NJ's first round selection from the previous draft (Derrick Favors), and a starting PG for DWill, we can do a of a lot better than one ing pick. If Minny wants to throw 2-3 first rounders and 2 rotation players at us, I'll listen.

Again this is the Tony Parker who has had two bad years in a row and got destroyed by a non top 15pg and who has said we are done. It's not a straight up deal dumbass, I've said that over and over. If we can get multiple decent to good players and the #2 pick it's a no brainer.

[ChuckD]

Again this is the Tony Parker who has had two bad years in a row and got destroyed by a non top 15pg and who has said we are done. It's not a straight up deal dumbass, I've said that over and over. If we can get multiple decent to good players and the #2 pick it's a no brainer.

So, why are you cussing me if we're both needing more than the stupid #2 pick? Is it because I called you on the YouTube thing? That was funny and ironic, and you did post one, and I never drooled over Tiago videos. I think YouTube is the WORST way to evaluate talent, because no one ever posts a worst hits, only greatest hits and highlight compilations.

[blizz]

Fair enough. Let's agree to disagree. Do I think he will do those things on day one? No but he has the potential to be very good and is what I think we need. You're right about the highlights but I look at it as what hes capable of. We don't currently have anyone who has that sort of capability. Can you agree on that?

[blizz]

Bottom line is that we are both passionate about our team. I just don't think we can get better without making a move and unfortunately tp is the only spur with trade value. What if we wait till next year and no one in the top 5 wants or needs tp? What if he has another sub par year? We have what Minnesota needs And they have what we need. We may not have the same opportunity next year. I'd hate to lose tp, I really would, I just think if we want to contend and rebuild, we need to do something like this. We would instantly get younger, more athletic, longer and for 1 player who hasn't played like a finals MVP since we won it.

[ynh]

Did someone really just use what Utah got for D. Williams as a water mark for what Parker should command? Perhaps I'm just not with it but you guys seem to have a very very inflated idea of the market value of Parker coming off two very so so seasons in a point guard heavy league. I really can't think of too many teams that would give up a lot for Parker that would view him as the missing piece or foundation to built off of. I've said it before.. I think you guys get something like what Billups commanded.. and that's a good player of about equal level of play on an expiring contract. Basically cap space.

[blizz]

Did someone really just use what Utah got for D. Williams as a water mark for what Parker should command? Perhaps I'm just not with it but you guys seem to have a very very inflated idea of the market value of Parker coming off two very so so seasons in a point guard heavy league. I really can't think of too many teams that would give up a lot for Parker that would view him as the missing piece or foundation to built off of. I've said it before.. I think you guys get something like what Billups commanded.. and that's a good player of about equal level of play on an expiring contract. Basically cap space.

Exactly. That's why if we can get the #2and some players we need to do it.

[ChuckD]

Did someone really just use what Utah got for D. Williams as a water mark for what Parker should command? Perhaps I'm just not with it but you guys seem to have a very very inflated idea of the market value of Parker coming off two very so so seasons in a point guard heavy league. I really can't think of too many teams that would give up a lot for Parker that would view him as the missing piece or foundation to built off of. I've said it before.. I think you guys get something like what Billups commanded.. and that's a good player of about equal level of play on an expiring contract. Basically cap space.

Not saying they should get that exact return, just contrasting three first rounders, PLUS last year's first round pick PLUS a starting PG against some people saying trade Parker for just this one pick. Parker for cap space is just as ridiculous as saying get what Utah did for DWill. If that's all you think you can get, you keep him, since we are MILES above the cap. Chauncy was also 32 when he was moved, and Detroit had a chance to open a ton of cap room, something the Spurs don't have.

[BackHome]

To me it makes sense Minny fans and owners are pretty much demanding the team make some noise by not going young but getting vets. I have no doubt they trade the second pick it just remains what team they do it with?

I honestly think that with Tony and Love they would at least make the eighth round playoff spot next year. The question is what kind of deal we can make....for draft picks or players or moving bad contracts RJ....Minnny has to know if they don't sign a named player that they are going not only loose their fans but they know Love will walk on them after the following year.

[cdcast]

Looking at Minny's roster, other than Love, Darko, and whoever they get at #2, the rest of the players are mediocre at best. Rubio is way overrated, Beasley makes way too many boneheaded plays (in other words, he sucks), and their other PGs are nowhere near Tony's level. They don't have the players for a Parker trade. Unless they lose their mind and offer up Love, Johnson and the #2 which will never happen.

They shouldn't trade Parker at this point unless its a no-brainer deal. They can wait till after the new CBA is hammered out, and maybe something good might be available at the trade deadline or even next summer when it's a way better draft. No need to panic now.

[Muser]

Minny have got nothing for the Spurs to entice a Parker trade outside of Love but that's not happening. Lock this stupid thread.

[Spurious]

Let's hope the Wolves view TP as still being the guy who torched them for 55, rather than the guy who stumbled through our first-round loss to Memphis. Then maybe they'll give us fair value...whatever that might be.

[Chomag]

Spurs need to make a trade to get better? Yes, but trading their only player with real Value for crap no.

[yavozerb]

Interesting take on Minn and Rubio...

http://minnesota.sbnation.com/minnes...a-playoffs-acb

[Muser]

Let's hope the Wolves view TP as still being the guy who torched them for 55, rather than the guy who stumbled through our first-round loss to Memphis. Then maybe they'll give us fair value...whatever that might be.

They can't give us fair value.

[yavozerb]

They can't give us fair value.

First, i do think not TP will be traded and I am ok with that..Second, where you lack in equal value in a trade for a player like TP you gain value in possible upside on young players. I realize the spurs are in a win now situation, but they must also evaluate how to transform this aging team into possibly a playoff team down the road (3-5) yrs from now as well for financial reasons. Its a tough spot where the spurs are right now, no doubt

[Muser]

If you trade TP for potential young players for the future you have to trade Duncan and Manu too, either fully blow it up or don't, just don't go 50/50.

[yavozerb]

If you trade TP for potential young players for the future you have to trade Duncan and Manu too, either fully blow it up or don't, just don't go 50/50.

I disagree...The spurs have been consistent winners through out there history because they never panicked or blew up rosters. Would the spurs be as good without TP, certainly not, would they compete for the playoffs, yes they would. Nobody would want a team like the wolves where every position has young players learning on the job and therefore cannot win many games.

[Muser]

Trading TP is a rebuilding move, if you're in rebuilding mode you don't want to make the playoffs. I'd rather the Spurs be like the Wolves than a perennial first/second round exit team like the hawks, at least then they might have a chance at getting the next big player in the draft.

[yavozerb]

Trading TP is a rebuilding move, if you're in rebuilding mode you don't want to make the playoffs. I'd rather the Spurs be like the Wolves than a perennial first/second round exit team like the hawks, at least then they might have a chance at getting the next big player in the draft.

Do you see the Wolves getting any better any time soon? Try being a wolves fan and I gurantee that you will change your stance on that statement after one season....

[Muser]

High draft picks > first round exit every year + ty draft picks.

[Ditty]

I think the only trade I would agree with is Bynum for Parker swap...both are top 5 players at there position when healthy IMO

I think Manu would be more of a help too the twolves as they don't have any help at the SF/SG (ellington,webster,johnson), a trade for manu for flynn,webster, and the 2nd work on the trade machine. Finding a quality shooting guard in this league is alot easier then finding a quality point guard who can run the team.

I do and don't agree on if your going to trade them might as well trade everyone, of course you don't want to be like Houston these past 2 season with there dumb GM, and trying to be compe ive,and make the 8th seed but are always the 9th seed. You can find some good talent for Manu and Parker that can make this team still compe ive, but I find the Center position where we need the most help. I believe if the Spurs make some noise during free agency, possibly Holt not being a cheap ass, and buying picks, or offering Blair, and Hill to move up in the draft, or for picks. I think this will influence Duncan to take reconstruct his contract to make the Spurs have some salary cap this summer.

[TDMVPDPOY]

tp for josh smith + teague?