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    Yes it does. It is a 2 team league. Celtics and Lakers. No well known pro basketball league on Earth is as dominated by 2 teams in history as NBA is.

    It is known worldwide as a 2 team league.
    just : HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.


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    Yes it does. It is a 2 team league. Celtics and Lakers. No well known pro basketball league on Earth is as dominated by 2 teams in history as NBA is.

    It is known worldwide as a 2 team league.
    The NBA does not lack for parody, nor does your posting style.

    Look it up.

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    The salary budget of Olympiacos this season is 32 million euros and 30 million euros for Panathinaikos.
    Not according to those links, unless there is some special fake Greek math you're going to tell us about.

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    The NBA does not lack for parody, nor does your posting style.

    Look it up.
    LOL. Beat me to it.

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    The link you posted shows Panathinaikos with a budget of over 45 million dollars.

    It is incredibly pathetic that you don't even know basic math. 33 million euros = $47 million dollars.

    The LINK YOU POSTED proves my point. Idiot.
    1. That number is from 08/09 and is an estimate.

    2. That number is an estimate of the total team budget, meaning all club expenditures. Salaries are one component of the team budget.

    3. Now stop babbling and add the salary numbers in the 2010/11 column and get back to us.

    4. They apparently don't teach math, reading, or basic business in Arkansas.

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    Name one other league worldwide in basketball that is considered elite that has been as dominated by 2 teams as the NBA has.

    The elite basketball leagues worldwide are considered to be:

    NBA
    Euroleague
    Spain
    Greece
    Italy
    Eurocup

    Show me where any of those leagues has ever been dominated in history like the NBA has by 2 clubs. News flash, none of them have. Only the NBA has been so dominated historically by 2 clubs.


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    Name one other league worldwide in basketball that is considered elite that has been as dominated by 2 teams as the NBA has.

    The elite basketball leagues worldwide are considered to be:

    NBA
    Euroleague
    Spain
    Greece
    Italy
    Eurocup

    Show me where any of those leagues has ever been dominated in history like the NBA has by 2 clubs. News flash, none of them have. Only the NBA has been so dominated historically by 2 clubs.
    Someone should investigate whatever league the Globetrotters are in. Seems fixed to me.

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    The budget for this season is 30 million euros. I already told you that. That does NOT include "all club expenditures".


    Then account for difference between the budget figure and the total of the salaries

    And in case you are too damn stupid to grasp it, NBA salaries are GROSS, meaning half of the number listed, or even less. The club's don't actually pay that amount. They pay only the net amount, which they never list to artificially inflate the budgets so idiots like you are fooled.

    3. Here comes the convoluted rant about net salaries, maids, mansions, chauffeurs, gardeners, and pool boys.
    You're nothing if not predictable.

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    The Greek League started in 1927. once again PATHETIC. You know damn well that Greek League is not nearly as dominated by 2 teams as NBA is, so you choose to ignore the first 60 years or so of it.

    You are truly a pathetic troll.

    Here you go:

    NBA from 1991 to 1998

    Bulls 6

    Rockets 2



    Since you can just pick any year you like in your trolling mind.

    Either find another league that is considered elite worldwide that in HISTORY was dominated by 2 teams as much as the NBA was, or STFU troll.
    19 years is just like 8 years.

    PAO has won 31 of 71 Greek League championships.

    The Lakers and Celtics have combined to win 33 of 65 NBA les.

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    You are a freaking moron.

    I think it is time to report you. You owned yourself with that link. You are wrong. I am right. But you still troll me like an a-hole for no reason. You are out of line endlessly in this forum.
    You really don't want to add up those salary numbers, do you?

    Understandable.

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    Just thought of another league dominated by two teams.

    The Laff-a-Lympics were almost always won by either the Scooby Doobies or the Yogi Yahooeys. Very rarely did the Really Rottens come away with the win.

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    i say just bite the bullet and implement this hard cap. tired of seeing the big market teams get all the bloated contracts and dominate.

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    You are a freaking moron.

    I think it is time to report you. You owned yourself with that link. You are wrong. I am right. But you still troll me like an a-hole for no reason. You are out of line endlessly in this forum.
    You owned yourself last time you reported someone. Do you really want another forum spanking by Kori?

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    KBP_Forever, you are like the nugget that just wont flush, even after several attempts at flushing..everytime I see any type of conversation you are in here, its pissing someone off with you arrogant bs, or just being a pest..

    You are seriously more annoying than Rapper, before he was banned from starting threads..only thing is, Rapper wasnt TRYING to be a pain in the ass.

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    I'm all for a hard cap. I'm tired of watching big market teams like the Lakers pay exorbitant amounts of money to superstars and win championships year after year while the rest of the small market teams become little more than fillerson their way to domination. Quite frankly, the only reason why small market teams like the Spurs have even remained compe ive is because of the brilliance of their front office. A hard cap would go a long way to leveling the playing field, in my opinion.

    Now, with salaries being slashed, endorsement money could become THE deciding factor for free agents who are chasing a buck. Again, the big market teams trump the small.

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    Now, with salaries being slashed, endorsement money could become THE deciding factor for free agents who are chasing a buck. Again, the big market teams trump the small.
    Small market teams need to build HEBs. Everyone needs Mootopia milk.

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    Now, with salaries being slashed, endorsement money could become THE deciding factor for free agents who are chasing a buck. Again, the big market teams trump the small.
    The thing is, with a true hard cap, there are only so many FAs who can sign with an LA or NY or CHI, no matter how many want to go there for endorsements. They aren't going to try to subsist on endorsements, because I'm doubting those have an injury guarantee like most team contracts. There will be plenty of players to go around.

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    no more championships for the lakers. lol they wont allow it to be 45 mil. i can prob see around 60 mil. reasonalbe amount.
    I think parody has killed the NFL, yea you see lots of different teams win championships but you never see dynasties anymore like the Dallas Cowboys were, or the 49ers were. That is because the guys that are drafted in the later rounds and turned into great players are moving to new teams too easily. Gone are the days of NFL teams that have 7 or 8 hall of fame level players that finish off their whole careers with that team.

    I'm all for a hard cap. I'm tired of watching big market teams like the Lakers pay exorbitant amounts of money to superstars and win championships year after year while the rest of the small market teams become little more than fillerson their way to domination. Quite frankly, the only reason why small market teams like the Spurs have even remained compe ive is because of the brilliance of their front office. A hard cap would go a long way to leveling the playing field, in my opinion.
    Actually I think this will be very advantageous to big market teams who will just cut the sucky guys off their roster and fill it with a great player who knows that they can double their salary if they go to LA or New York.

    If you're a great player and know that the most you can get paid in any market is 8 million dollars where would you rather be, in San Antonio making just that or in LA making that plus an extra 20 million in endorsements?

    they are not lossing money

    if they sell their teams they make money
    clippers owners would make a killing
    lower the ticket prices did any team sell out all season?
    Yes they are losing money, and why do you think the New Orleans franchise had to be taken over by the league? There were no buyers.

    players wont stand for this. they might budge on eliminating the mid level exception but this cuts their pay basically in half.
    The players will cave in just like the NFL players did, when it comes down to it, the NBA players know they are just as greedy as the owners and want their money and will hang each other out to dry to get it.

    i would be for a hard salary cap if the NBA owners got to have a hard cap on profits and had to give the rest back to the local taxpayers footing the bill for their expensive hobbies
    BINGO, the owners are not victims in this, they are greedy bas s just like the players and they expect us to pony up for their greed.

    Yes it does. It is a 2 team league. Celtics and Lakers. No well known pro basketball league on Earth is as dominated by 2 teams in history as NBA is.

    It is known worldwide as a 2 team league.
    No league has ever been dominated the Baseball is dominated by the Yankees.


    Just thought of another league dominated by two teams.

    The Laff-a-Lympics were almost always won by either the Scooby Doobies or the Yogi Yahooeys. Very rarely did the Really Rottens come away with the win.
    You win the internet

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    The league would most likely honor those current contracts but teams will be limited with new expenses
    I see no way in the NBPA agrees to this.
    This. If they insist, then we're looking at a LONG lockout
    There is no way the league honors the current contracts if a hard cap CBA goes into effect. Most likely they contracts would be cut by a certain percentage which would increase during the phase in period. As far as the player's association never agreeing to it you have to keep in mind that there are a ton of players making less than $5 million a year. In fact, a quick review of team rosters shows that roughly 1/3 of rosters make under $1million and about 1/3 make between $1 million and $5 million. In addition, there are players that are part of the union that are not currently under contract. All of these players are going to be effected much less than the Kobes, LeBrons and Duncans of the game, but their votes count just as much. They also have much left save up to fall back on, so when they weigh the pros and cons of staying out it will be much different than those few making over $10,000,000 per year.

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    This is still a go. I find it almost impossible for anything lower then 60 million to be negotiated.

    According to NBA executives familiar with the league’s strategies, once the lockout is in place, the owners will push for a hard salary cap of $45 million, the elimination of guaranteed contracts and ask that the players swallow a 33 percent salary cut.

    The concessions made in recent weeks, including the “flex cap” of $62 million and a guarantee of $2 billion in annual player payroll, will be off the table.

    If this seems certain to guarantee the loss of the entire 2011-12 season, it is because there are owners who think it is necessary for the long-term viability of the league.
    Last edited by Spurtacus; 06-29-2011 at 03:10 PM.

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    This is going to be a long offseason as these two groups seem far apart and neither is budging.

    Listing of what both sides want: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...e=labor-110629

    When does the NT play start? Also, still waiting for televised broadcasting of the Silver Stars, that starts early July iirc.

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    LOL, if the owners get a $45 million cap and non-guaranteed contracts the public should get all its ing arena financing money back.

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    If owners really want to go that far, players should start working an creating a new league. Players generates all the money and thus have all the power.

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    I love how the owners are freaking out over contracts they created, offered, and signed themselves. What a bunch of whiners.

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    The NBA needs to be more like the NHL and NFL rather than have a soft-MLB type of system. Also non-stars make way too much money for far too long in this league.

    There's no way in that the cap will lower to $45 mill but the NBA desperately needs to revamp its system. And @ the idea of the players starting their own league.

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