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The game consists of shooting, passing, dribbling, rebounding, defense, moving without the ball, and the will to win.
I give shooting to Dirk but that is about it.
Not really, I like Dirk and I've been giving him praises for his play this season.
The game consists of shooting, passing, dribbling, rebounding, defense, moving without the ball, and the will to win.
I give shooting to Dirk but that is about it.
You don't need to play 40+ to be a first option.
This has been adressed several times.lol manu>dirk
You need to have had at least a "good" World cup performance to be declared by FIFA as one of the best ten players of the tournament.lol messi had a "good" world cup performance
Manu >>>> Horry > Duncan > Dirk >>>>> Capt West > Kobe
21, 20, 10, 8
Call me when Dirk posts this in a game with the championship on the line.
lol please someone explain to me how duncan has played on "stacked" teams when Holt is one of the cheapest owners in the NBA and signs nothing but vets with there days behind them & Cuban goes on a shopping spree every year picking up some of the top FA available every year.
ok just to recap some of what i have read.
dirk should be the defensive player of the year
Parkers the best PG in the last decade
& 1 ring would make dirk surpass MJ as the GOAT.
Of course Duncan took over games in '99 and '03. He commanded automatic double and triple teams, there was no other way to stop him. In '03 he couldn't be stopped by prime Shaq and Horry. Basically, that season he couldn't be stopped by anyone. And when the Spurs needed some stops late in the game, he guarded Shaq one-on-one something only Sabonis did, but no so well.
He also took over game 7 against the Pistons, when Manu could not. Duncan scored at the same level as Dirk in '06, however Duncan also rebounded and defended way better.
Dirk has always been in stacked teams, but the coaching and the rosters weren't the most balanced. Dirk could have been guarded by shorter players until the 2007 playoffs run. From there he started shooting fade-away jumpers which made him unstoppable.
With his legendary performance against the Lakers frontcourt this season and after completely outplaying Durant, he passed KG and Malone, but he would need to win the championship and after that another one, as the Mavs best player, to be in serious conversation about having a better NBA career than Duncan.
10-27 "taking over"
Leave Duncan alone. Dirk is better now, and has been better for a couple of years now.
But Duncan's peak was something else. He was a monster both offensively and defensively. Dirk can't beat that, even though, yes, he is a bit better offensively than Duncan was even at his best.
But the main argument that I use for Dirk > KG, is that even if you want to argue that KG is more of a complete player, that doesn't mean that you can put rebounding and assisting at the same level of importance as scoring. If you are a GM building a team, you want your superstar, franchise player, to be the best scorer on the floor to win a championship. You want to go to him in the last 5 minutes of a tied playoff game, and have him deliver over and over and over again. That is what you pay $ 20 mil a year for. You use the rest of your payroll to complete the roster with the other elements, i.e rebounding, toughness, defense, assisting. Shaq was one of the most in-complete players in the league, even his defense never really was anything to wonder despite his spectacular blocks. But what he could do offensively completely changed game plans, strategies, and altered games and series. Dirk does that, in his own way.
KG never was that kind of player, he never was the kind to close out games, and that is why he struggled mightily in the playoffs unless he had all-star wing player. That is exactly why Dirk, even with mediocre supporting casts, outperformed his teams all those years in the West. He could take a mediocre cast, make sure they performed their role, and in the end of close games he'd take them home with a win.
If you can't do that as a franchise player, than I am sorry, but you are not worthy of comparison with another franchise player, and an elite one at that.
Duncan was injured that season, as evidenced by some 40-20 performances had in the playoffs the following season.10-27 "taking over"
Remember that it was a defensive 81:74 game, Duncan scored 25 out of 27 shots, not a great efficiency, but still the most points by any player of the finals.
Manu, while much more efficient, got stopped late in the game on successive possessions and Pop ordered the offense to go trough Duncan and that's how the Spurs got that championship.
how am I spinning it? He shot over 50% in '09 and '10 but his teammates the bed. He's shooting 51% this year but his teammates are actually stepping up..
In '08 he averaged 26/12 on 47% shooting but again, his teammates the bed. Brandon ing Bass was the 2nd best Mav in that series.
Dirk deserves some blame for '07
'06 the Mavs were literally within one bad call of a championship..
Dirk was awarded the MVP, or Moral Victory Parade.
Could've been worse... say... 6-24...10-27 "taking over"
Manu scored 11 pts in the 4th, the third is where Duncan took over.
My bad, Pop made the offensive adjustment after game 6. Duncan scored points in the 3-rd to cut the Pistons lead and Larry Brown started double-teaming Duncan in the fourth. Manu, Bowen and Horry made 3's which gave the Spurs the championship.
Also, Malone wipes his ass with Kevin Garnett and Dirk Nowitzki.
Malone, who defined playing hot potato with the ball in the 4th quarter before KG, that Malone?
Yeah, he's got nothing on Dirk except longevity.
What it all comes down to, and is undeniable, is that on his best day, Dirk only ever affected the game on one end of the floor.
I couldn't agree more. Like 3-4 years now, Dirk has been better than Duncan. Career-wise, it is for sure a different thing and not a discussion. For me Duncan is Nr. 6 of all time (behind MJ, Kareem, Magic, Wilt and Bird) and Dirk isn't Top 10. He would need a couple of rings to get in the discussion, let alone to crack the Top 10. He won't catch Duncan and Bird based on one ring, that's just silly.
But if Dirk rings this time, I would put him above guys like KG (who couldn't do with Minny in the playoffs, let alone if he even made them; and that championship in 2008 was mainly due to Pierce's level of play, it was basically his team), Malone (great stats and extremely long-lived career, but he couldn't do anything in the playoffs despite playing for such a long time with one of the best PG's of all time in Stockton) and Barkley. Of course, Dirk and these guys would still be very close. I could understand people who still put all of them above Dirk even if Dirk rings this year.
Concerning Dallas' bloated payroll: It's kinda funny how some Spur-fans always like to point that out. Fact is, Dallas has a history of having completely overpaid players. Damp, Diop, Howard etc... That's definitely not what I call a stacked and valuable roster. It's the same now with Haywood. Despite playing well in the postseason, he was really bad during the regular season and not playing on a level which would justify his contract. The Mavs' FO definitely needs to take some blame for those happenings during the last years. Basically, the only reason Dallas made the playoffs during the last decade and went to the finals once was Dirk and nobody else. Carrying his team to the finals in 2006 while having guys like Terry and Howard as his so called "sidekicks" is quite remarkable.
I'll take Garnett or Dirk any day over Malone.
Dirk is not a PF.
lol 19 year career of stat whoring leading to being massively overrated
One of the classiest injuries in sports history
not really . . .
lol @ Mavs fans who think Dirk never had talent around him, compared to Duncan.
This is as stupid as the Kobe and Jordan comparisons.
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