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Told you that crazy ass guy was going to say something about the mistake being some sort of "spiritual" beginning of some sort.
ight, I'm loading up on ramen and water
Told you that crazy ass guy was going to say something about the mistake being some sort of "spiritual" beginning of some sort.
I cannot believe people listen to the wad. There are millions of re s all over the world, why give that one any attention?
Lots of people are hoping he's right. Just knowing he's not. That's the main reason why he gets attention, tbh
But there's also the fact they are announcing it day and night, "warning" people, and putting big signs on their cars and causing the posting of billboards etc etc, so . . .
No , it was a trollish post. Mouse isn't even a Christian...or at least that's what I think his stance is, since he's a big backer of alternative design.
Sure, no , there are people of all varieties. There are smart religious people, there are smart nonreligious people. There are dumb religious people and dumb nonreligious people. There are smart, religious republicans, smart, nonreligious republicans, dumb religious republicans, and dumb, nonreligious republicans. The same goes for democrats. There are smart people who mainly wear white sneakers, and smart people who mainly wear black sneakers. There are white basketball players and there are black basketball players. There are even basketball players of other races/ethnicities as well.
Good thing it's been established that there are all kinds of different people. One thing is indisputable however, that nonreligious people tend to have higher IQs than their religious counterparts. Which is nothing new, obviously.
tbh, he said oct 21 long time ago..may 21 was when it would start. dumbasses who cant read.
lots of religion bashing in this thread. broad generalizations & slanted takes. i'm not very religious myself, but lets not forget there's a lot of good being done throughout world by religious people. in a month i'm going to a Ethopia for a month do hardcore charity work. i'll be doing what i can do to help out in some of the poorest areas in the world. it's being funded about a church and organized by two priests. not that i looked, but i seriously doubt theres any athiest organizations offering this kind of opportunity in my community.
Atheists are a fairly small minority in the U.S. by any account. There is a reason it is called "organized" religion, heh.
Quite frankly, the atheists I have known have almost invariably tended to be more ethical than the really religious people I have known.
to your first point, even though there is a small minority i don't see any of them organizing far-raching charity opportunities. even when Christianity or Judaism were minority religions, the few believers that existed at the time (in numbers probably way less than current athiests & agnostics) did significant charity in their society. they had a moral obligation to do so.
to your second point, i really don't know what to say about it. a lot of factors that can be accounted for that aren't. i've noticed a lot of really religious people aren't raised right is one thing. they had apathetic parents/family that threw a Bible in their face from the time were young and hey expected that to suffice for parenting. a lot of that going on. hard to pin anything on religion without more details.
You dont hear about Athiest charities because they dont need or want to sensationalize their charity, unlike Religion that seems to need to broadcast that they are a "giving" group. Oh, just dont mind all of the persicution of non-believers.
Why is that?
Here are just a few Athiest charities....
Atheist Centre of India
http://www.atheistcentre.in/default.html
Atheist Centre of India supports intercaste marriages and actively works to end child marriages and caste separation. The also provide aid to women in distress such as single mothers and pros utes and promote equality of the sexes. Their education campaigns are designed to fight dangerous supers ions and practices such as witch hunts which can result in harm to innocent people. (Yes, there are still witch hunts based off of religious beliefs).
Foundation Beyond Belief
http://www.foundationbeyondbelief.org/node
Foundation Beyond Belief is an atheist charity which launched January 1, 2010. Each quarter Foundation Beyond Belief features ten charitable organizations, one each in the categories of animal protection, child welfare, education, environment, health, human rights, Foundation Beyond Belief itself, peace, poverty, and The Big Bang Fund - a small charity with a big impact. Members can choose which cause or causes to support from the featured causes.
EARTHWARD, Inc.
http://earthward.org/mission.shtml
Earth's Atheist Resistance To Holy Wars And Religious Devastation or EARTHWARD provides humanitarian aid to victims of religiously motivated violence. EARTHWARD provides aid suited to the victims usually in the form of food, clean drinking water, temporary shelters and medical aid.
Fellowship of Freethought
http://fellowshipoffreethought.org/
Among their outreach activities, the The Fellowship of Freethought organizes blood drives, collects food for local food banks, participates in holiday toy drives for needy children, and collects donations for deployed soldiers.
International Humanist and Ethical Union
http://www.iheu.org/
The International Humanist and Ethical Union (IHEU) is a union which includes more than a hundred atheist, secular and freethought organizations from 40 different countries around the world. IEHU fights for freedom of expression, human rights, and separation of church and state. They support the victims of religious persecution and supers ion. IHEU fights to end untouchability, caste systems which place people in abject poverty with no hope of escape due to accident of birth.
Thats just a few.... They just choose not to advertise. They dont need to..... Actions speak louder than words.
Last edited by phyzik; 05-25-2011 at 01:10 AM.
"Intelligent" religious people simply use their intelligence for self-delusion. You can convince yourself of all kinds of things if you really want to believe them. Smart people come up with craftier fallacies, that is all.
Arguing about who is more charitable is silly. Who gives a about charity? If it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside to do something nice for someone you don't know and who can never do anything for you, then knock yourself out. But don't act like you're better than those of us who don't give a .
But if you *do* want to talk about charities, there is a vast number of nonreligious as opposed to atheist charities, which makes sense because the absence of belief in something is not a very strong principle around which to build an organization.
Your argument is laughable bull . My argument is better. Most religious charities you probably have never heard of because they are not looking for publicity. Your teeny handful of atheist charities basically would be the exception that proves the rule.
Stop kicking the ball into your own net. Don't try to formulate another argument; you're better off just nodding your head in agreement with me. My point about secular charities carries the round on this pointless argument.
This is pretty sad that I don't really even give a crap about charity but my reasoning crushes that of somebody who ostensibly cared. You -for-brains are soooooooooooo beneath me.
what a ing dumbass
i am better for doing it though. and you can delude yourself into thinking i'm not if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside.
These are the same assholes who look for handouts when some kind of devastation happens to them but after they're on their feet again, forget about being charitable.
Gimme gimme gimme!
You don't know what the you are talking about. There is this thing called insurance which I pay for. I have family members, friends, and an extended network with an implied understanding of reciprocity.
I pay taxes, part of which go to support that segment of the population which not only fails to add any value, but actually subtracts.
Beyond that, I have no regard for the excess humanity who think they have some general claim on my resources for whatever bull reason they come up with.
I used to buy into that Jesus crap and give of my time, money, energy, etc. I expended a lot of myself in order to propagate a lie. I made apologetics on this very website in defense of a lie.
Won't happen again.
Good for you. Insurance does protect YOUR ass. Must be nice to be born in a country where such things are available. Can't blame you numero uno, you don't know what the is going on in the world though.
I know what is going on in the world, but I simply don't care. Of the 7 billion people in the world, only 1 billion are necessary. This excess population crisis was caused by do-gooders thinking that vastly increasing the food supply by the "green revolution" was a good thing. In response, humans, who are deep down just cognitively advanced animals, kept ing and reproducing until the population swelled to gobble up the increased supply. So, the same percentage of people are suffering, but because the population is higher, there are more of them. Since the food supply is reliant upon petroleum products and is therefore unsustainable, eventually the food supply will crash and there will be vastly more suffering than there would have been in the first place if people had just followed my example and not given a .
Back to the original topic, this guy is probably the 100,00th or so Christian leader to predict a date and be wrong. There are lots of splinter groups, sects, etc., i.e. the Jehovah's Witnesses, who started off this way.
The "orthodox" version where "nobody knows the day nor hour" works out really well because when it keeps not happening, they end up "vindicated" even though the reason it keeps not happening is because it is all made up.
The early Christians were *convinced* Jesus was coming back in the 1st century. The reason for that is because Jesus promised them it would happen in the apostles' lifetimes. That promise can be found in the Gospels. Only when the last of the apostles died off with no sign of a Second Coming did that promise have to be, ahem, "reinterpreted."
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