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  1. 04-20-2011 #126
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    Batting average also gives Beltre way too much credit. As Jamstone said, he never gets walks. Ever. It's one thing when Jason Giambi bats .250 but has a .420 OBP, Beltre's .250 is a different story. That def. contributed to Boston letting him go, they want a lineup full of guys who work the count and will draw at least 4-5 pitches on most of their plate appearances, Beltre didn't fit that mold at all. Beltre is an example of why batting average is a terrible indication of overall batting ability.
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  2. 05-06-2011 #127
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    Hey!

    Why hasn't this thread been bumped lately? Isn't Beltre the MVP of the Rangers and ?

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    .................................................. oh yeah, he hasn't homered in 10 games and his BA and OBP are for got ass yavozerb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monosylab1k
    Hey!

    Why hasn't this thread been bumped lately? Isn't Beltre the MVP of the Rangers and ?

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    .................................................. oh yeah, he hasn't homered in 10 games and his BA and OBP are for got ass yavozerb.
    Have you looked at the entire rangers lineup lately? Its pretty hard for an entire team to go into a slump (and yes that includes beltre) but they are..Beltre has the 4th most rbi's in mlb and has only k'd 12 times you dumb ass, but keep focusing on things like obp to try and make your arguement...
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  5. 05-22-2011 #130
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    .246 batting average in May
    .431 SLG% in May
    "They expected a .250 hitter when they signed him "
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  6. 05-22-2011 #131
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Orton
    .246 batting average in May
    .431 SLG% in May
    "They expected a .250 hitter when they signed him "
    but he'll hit a grand slam tomorrow and magically be worth the money again.
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  7. 05-22-2011 #132
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    if you only count the at bats when he hits a grand slam he's worth the money
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Orton
    .246 batting average in May
    .431 SLG% in May
    "They expected a .250 hitter when they signed him "
    Quote Originally Posted by monosylab1k
    but he'll hit a grand slam tomorrow and magically be worth the money again.
    .260, 10 hr's, 37 rbi's....
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  9. 05-23-2011 #134
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    saying that like it's good
    .260 ecstasy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Orton
    saying that like it's good
    .260 ecstasy
    Guess you havn't looked at 3b around the league have you, lets see how Beltre ranks among other 3b in MLB:

    8th in hits
    5th in runs
    2nd in hr's
    1st in rbi's
    * forgot to mention best defensive 3b in baseball

    , move along please to something you actually have some knowledge about.
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    Why wasn't batting average or slugging % mentioned?
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    why waste time listing things that kill your argument?



    bragging about 8th in hits like that means .

    also somebody forgot to mention where Beltre ranks in 3B salary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Orton
    Why wasn't batting average or slugging % mentioned?
    Here are his stats, FWIW. (Also, including the player directly above and below him in each category for comparison.)


    64 in MLB in total hits (Colby Rasmus 65, tied with Neil Walker and Lance Berkman for 64th)
    34th in AL in total hits (Arod and 4 others at 29, Quentin/Pedroia at 25)


    13th in MLB in HR's (tied with 5, Konerko/Ortiz/Assface Cabrera/Ryan Howard)
    5th in MLB in HRs (tied with 4 others, Carlos Quenin at 4, A-Rod and a few others behind him)


    3rd in MLB in RBI's (Prince Fielder 2, Konerko/Hunter Pence/Ryan Braun tied at 4)
    2nd in AL in RBIs (A-Gon at 1, woot woot, Konerko/Granderson at 3)


    55th in the AL in hitting percentage (Texeria at 54, Kurt Suzuki at 56)
    101st in MLB in hitting percentage (Ronny Cedeno 100, BJ Upton 102)


    23rd in AL in slugging percentage (Alex Gordon at 22, Kubel at 24)
    42nd in MLB in slugging percentage (Hunter Pence 41, Jason Kubel 43)


    35th in AL in OPS (Vlad Guerrero 34, Alexei Ramirez 36)
    69th in MLB in OPS (Vlad Guerrero 68, Alexei Ramirez 70)
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    Oh, another interesting thing... Boston has three hitters in the Top 10 in OPS. A-Gon at 5, Youk at 6, and Ortiz at 9.
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    4th in salary among 3rd basemen being in the 1st year of a longterm deal with an increasing salary
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle Orton
    4th in salary among 3rd basemen being in the 1st year of a longterm deal with an increasing salary
    And just barely 4th. There's basically a 3 way tie for 2nd.

    But he's 8th in hits among all 3B!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! worth the money
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    Quote Originally Posted by LnGrrrR
    Oh, another interesting thing... Boston has three hitters in the Top 10 in OPS. A-Gon at 5, Youk at 6, and Ortiz at 9.
    meaningless. that doesn't get you wins, as evidenced by the Rangers record versus Boston's....................whoops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monosylab1k
    meaningless. that doesn't get you wins, as evidenced by the Rangers record versus Boston's....................whoops.
    What were you expecting the Ranger's record to be when Hamilton, Cruz, and Feliz have all missed time due to injury?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjktkk
    What were you expecting the Ranger's record to be when Hamilton, Cruz, and Feliz have all missed time due to injury?
    Certainly still better than a team that started the season 0-6 and was still below .500 just 11 in days ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monosylab1k
    Certainly still better than a team that started the season 0-6 and was still below .500 just 11 in days ago.
    Its a long season. Plus Texas is right at the top of the AL West.
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  21. 05-30-2011 #146
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    yeah, thank god everyone's injured. Now i can hide like a little and make excuses wile enjoying my new contract!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Beltre
    yeah, thank god everyone's injured. Now i can hide like a little and make excuses wile enjoying my new contract!
    Nice RBI and run scored
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  23. 05-31-2011 #148
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    thanks brah

    i felt like i ought to do something every once in awhile since I'm getting paid out my ass
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian Beltre
    yeah, thank god everyone's injured. Now i can hide like a little and make excuses wile enjoying my new contract!
    Very similar to creating a new trool tbh.
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    not on any side in this debate, but it is nice to see beltre has really been picking it up lately. his average has been climbing steadily for close to 2 months now, so hopefully he doesnt let up. if he keeps it up, he should definitely be able to have comparable production to last season
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