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the only guy atm who is a poor man dirk is playin on the bucks, llyasova, dude shoots like him but weak on defense...
He's a poor mans dirk, exactly what we need.
the only guy atm who is a poor man dirk is playin on the bucks, llyasova, dude shoots like him but weak on defense...
I'd happily do any of the 2 straight up trades posted here
Bargnani
for either
Bonner and RJ
or RJ + #29
I would be hesitant about getting Kleiza. He's really been pretty sucky.
It's not that Barg is a good player, but that we are getting rid guys who simply don't cut it if you want a championship squad. They don't have the mental toughness to succeed in high pressure spots. Maybe Barg doesn't have it either, but I see only one way to really find out.
I'd go with those trades listed.
He's not a foundation player, but he could be a piece.
Bargnani is descent, if you obsessed with stretch bigs, the way pop is, he's better than most.
we need a player with that extra winning mentality die at ude....not some soft
He's Bonner, paid much more.
He's a homeless man's Turkoglu.
Gui ude27?
First it's he's Bonner now he's a homeless man's Turkoglu?
This guy hasn't even hit his full potential yet, I think with coaches who push their players to the max like here he'd be successful.
He spreads the floor as greatly as Matt Bonner spreads his ass cheeks for Pop.
In a word, "NO". Besides we already have one of these - he's named Matt Bonner.
Or Maybe he's just a paycheck player, content to collect his millions. When you've been in the league for 5 years, you are what you are. He's not going to show any great leap in numbers or effort at this point.First it's he's Bonner now he's a homeless man's Turkoglu?
This guy hasn't even hit his full potential yet, I think with coaches who push their players to the max like here he'd be successful.
Scary numbers, career:
AB - FG% 44.1 3G% 37.1
MB - FG% 47.0 3g% 41.4
Andrea (lol) is less efficient and shoots a lot more than Bonner and plays about the same D. Oh, and he makes a LOT more.
You realize he's takes a lot more shots then Bonner? Bonner takes 2 or 3 shots a game, great argument.
BTW you failed to mention his 1st year as the guy 21points per game nice cherry picking.
Last edited by Spurs da champs; 05-25-2011 at 07:17 PM.
, so now every 4/5 white guy who can shoot is now compared to Bonner.. Bargnani has all-star type talent is much better than Bonner.
Bargnani is a much better shot creator than Bonner and will also block a shot every now and then (he's still a bad defender though).
But he's like a caricature of Dirk Nowitzki and not exactly cheap either. However the Spurs might be looking for another big man after McDyess retires...
No, but it would be for the Raptors. If Bargnani get's traded, the Pacers seem like the best fit. Either Granger and McRoberts for Bargnani and the 5th pick or George, Posey and the 15th pick for Bargnani.
I see no fit with the Spurs. There's no reason for the Raptors to want Jefferson (who'd have to be in it for financial reasons) and I can't see the Spurs trading Splitter, who not only has the most value of the Spurs young players, but would be by far the best fit with the Raptors.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Spurs inquire, though. He's low maintenance, still young and is essentially a significantly better version of Bonner. So offensively, he'd be a nice fit. Unfortunately, he's an atrocious defender and arguably the worst rebounding big in the entire league. But since this organization no longer puts a premium on things like that, I'm sure they wouldn't care. That or they'd think that if he came to the Spurs, they'd magically turn him into a more well rounded player (because that worked so well with Jefferson).
Short term, I can't see Bargnani being a championship caliber role player. Long term, if he's one of your three best players (which he has to be, considering his salary), you're going to be a sub .500 team.
So, he's better because he takes more shots and shoots a lower percentage? How do you figure that? The Bonner Bar of 47/41 shouldn't be that hard to hit as a full time player if you're REALLY a star and not just being paid like one.
You know Ron Mercer was just this kind of player in his career before he got here: a low percentage chucker who scored 20 on a bad team. He was released.
If you think that Toronto gets that much for Barg you're nuts. He's signed for 5 years at significant money. He's defensively poor and offensively inefficient. The only reason I like those trades above is because of who's leaving, not who we're getting...
Exactly. Colangelo drafted him with #1 overall pick in 2006 and made him, after Bosh left, the face of the franchise with a contract to match. Colangelo just got a multiyear extension, so he's not trading Bargnani for RJ plus filler. I don't think he's interested in trading in Bargnani at all, but he definitely won't move him for such a pitiful return.
That's a statistical fact:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...der_by=trb_pct
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...der_by=trb_pct
Bargnani's contract is not that bad for a 20 PPG scorer.
I watch the Raptors alot (even though they suck, I'm a true fan) and I can tell you that Bargnani is very soft, but he can really shoot the ball. He blocks some shots and can score a bit in the post. He would really be a huge upgrade over Bonner, and has the Potential to be a star.
Unfortunately I doubt the Raptors would let him go. He's their foundation.
But yes, it is highly unlikely he is moved for something like RJ.
That's a stat bar that was popular 20-25 years ago. Now, it's all about how many shots did it take to get your 20. With Andrea, the answer is 'a lot'.
If the Spurs learned anything this year, it's that you can't put together a top team with offense and no defense. If you make the offense inefficient, it's not going to change that result for the good, only make it worse.
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