BTW, Jordan's winning percentage is off the charts in the regular season and even better in the post season. In fact, Jordan's winning percentage got better in the playoffs.
How am I moving the goal post?I see you're moving the goal post.that hommie.
Jordan: 30.1 ppgKobe won back to back rings as a 1st option and no hall of fame teammates. Something MJ never did. Also: 81 > 69.
Kobe: 25.3 ppg
Jordan: .497 fg%
Kobe: .454 fg%
Jordan > Kobe scoring wise. I could use TS% and eFG%, but I think you get the point.
A little off topic but in the same thread as the "today" fixation, I've heard multiple times on TV and the radio that Dwight Howard is the best defensive big man since Russell.
Do I have to point out to these idiots that Hakeem and Robinson were better shot blockers, weak side help defenders, averaged more steals and were probably just as good rebounders as Howard?
Some people don't have perspective when it comes to basketball history. And that example was fairly recent, within the last 20 years.
Jordan>>>James
Wade>Pippen
Bosh>>Grant, Rodman, or whoever their 3rd best player was that year. Pippen is an idiot that just wants to make himself out to be more important than he was. He is no Wade.
Jordan is not >>>> James as an individual player by any stretch of the imagination. I'd say they are very close to eachother. Jordan has a bigger legacy obvioulsy because he won 6 rings, but James has never played with as much talent that Jordan had around him until this year, and he's 4 games away from winning a championship because of it.
Wade and Pippen are probably relatively equal, different players obviously but overall impact is the same. Both are/were top 5 players in the league during their respective careers.
Bosh is not better than Rodman or Grant. Rodman was one of the best defenders/rebounders of all-time which Bosh is just a good offensive player and average rebounder who is benefiting from playing alongside two superstars. Grant was a great defensive player as well who could score the ball.
Looks like Scottie caught some seeds in his sticky-icky.
What's wrong with Woolridge and Dailey? They were not durable players however they were good players during MJ's first seasons. They were probably as good as anyone Pippen had during 93-94. Corzine? Serviceable and they added Oakley. No team mate was going to score enough to make all-star teams with MJ's ballhogging early in his career.
The Bulls improved with the supposed GOAT, but not by that much. One could say, the GOAT never pass the ball and didn't yet have a jumper at that point. But then the GOAT in his prime retires after 3 championships. The Bulls get nothing for him, slip only 2 games in the standings, and still make the second round far from being swept they had some chances to advance to the ECF. The '80's Celtics and the showtime Lakers were nothing without Bird and Magic.
The Lakers were rebuiling in '90-91 and Magic led them all the way to the finals and still maged to take a game 1 in the finals and send the pivotal game 3 to OT. They were already without Kareem due to retirement, they lost Cooper who was their Bowen, they lost Riley who was considered the best NBA coach at the time. Kareem has been with the Lakers for some time and they failed to win championships before Magic arrived.
Magic went 9 times to the finals, he won 5 championships. They didn't won more because they faced various of the best ever teams (83 Sixers, 86 C's, 89 Pistons, 91 Bulls).
MJ had 6 championships, some will say that he never-ever lost, but it's unclear why is a player better if leads his team to get swept in first round or get eliminated before the finals and if he never faced a truly great team in the finals. When MJ's Bulls had to play with great teams the Bulls didn't even reach the finals.
Last edited by dunkman; 05-28-2011 at 06:50 PM.
Magic is the GOAT
TBH
The fact is Jordan will always be the greatest. Anyone comparing James to Jordan is blasphemy.
Quentin Dailey (RIP) had drug and at ude problems and Orlando Woolridge was the classic good player on a bad team. Neither of those guys played a lick of defense and neither were winners. With those two as the best players on the Bulls they went 28-54 the year before Jordan got there.
If I was Miami and could trade Bosh for prime, motivated Rodmonian straight-up I'd do it in about five seconds.Bosh>>Grant, Rodman, or whoever their 3rd best player was that year.
But it's not like the Bulls were stacked either
Magic and Bird played great teams, but their respective teams were super stacked
LeBron James flattered by comparisons
MIAMI -- Scottie Pippen said LeBron James may be basketball's greatest player ever.
Among those who disagree: LeBron James.
The Miami Heat forward provided his reaction to Pippen's comparison between James and Michael Jordan on Saturday, essentially saying he was flattered by the sentiment but simply does not believe he's done enough to merit mention among the game's highest echelon.
"I'm not better than Jordan," James said.
Pippen -- who won six championships alongside Jordan in Chicago during the Bulls' epic run in the 1990s -- told ESPN Radio on Friday that while Jordan is "probably the greatest scorer to play the game," James "may be the greatest player to ever play the game."
Pippen even backed up the comments later on Twitter, hours after his words sparked a bit of a firestorm, though tried to clarify a bit by saying that while he thinks Jordan "is the greatest," James "could" reach that pinnacle in time.
James seemed mildly uncomfortable by the discussion.
"Michael's an unbelievable player," James said Saturday. "I've got a long way -- long way -- to be mentioned as far as one of the all-time greats. Not even just Jordan. There's a lot of great players who have played in this league. Larry Bird, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, all these guys who are floating around with multiple rings, Bill Russell, all these guys who have pioneered this game.
"I'm gracious. Humbled by Scottie's comments, especially with him being a teammate of his and seeing Michael on a day-to-day basis. But as far as me, I'm not going to sit here and say I'm better than Jordan. I'm not better than Jordan."
James is four wins away from his first NBA championship. The Heat host the Dallas Mavericks in Game 1 of the NBA finals on Tuesday night.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/trueho...ory?id=6603651
I lold. Hard.
Now thats whats up! James earns some points there.
wgaf? win some 'ships, then we'll talk. till then, all the arguments are simply mental masturbation. it's or walk time for LBJ.
He is trying to win points back.
MAYBE, but atleast he was not flattered by this and entertained it, he knows he is not close to the GOD of bball and will not be anytime soon.
he always been like this...he has always diverted these kinds of comparisons. He has said MJ is GOAT and that Kobe was a better player than him when clearly Lebron was the best player in the league.
Someone needs to coin a new term, like "Van Gundy" when someone makes a silly claim about a current athlete being better than the greatest of all time.
Scottie just Van Gundied all over himself.
Something like that.
OMG so clever and hilarious.
Scottie just Pippened all over himself.
Always in the shadow of Jordan and never going to be able to accept it. Well Scottie... how are those 6 rings MJ got for you?
& vice versa.
nope none of that....count is still
Duncan: 4 (alpha dog)
Kobe: 0 (alpha dog)
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