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  1. #126
    Fitness Made Simple John Basedow's Avatar
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    So, to be fair, back off on touting Haslem as some huge key to this series if he doesn't have a recent, reputable body of work to represent how he might factor into this series.
    I agree insofar that Haslem's value might be overrated, but his performance against the Bulls (particularly Game 2) was a huge catalyst for the Heat in that series. They were down 0-1 and looking listless in the 3rd quarter of Game 2 as the Bulls were gaining momentum. He's not going to decide this series by any means, but he's still a vital part of that team imho.

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    So, to be fair, back off on touting Haslem as some huge key to this series if he doesn't have a recent, reputable body of work to represent how he might factor into this series.
    He will have as much to do with this series as the Mavs bench. Neither being any kind of deciding factor. You're in for disappointment if you think the bench will win it for the Mavs.

  3. #128
    Big like a pickle. Shank's Avatar
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    He will have as much to do with this series as the Mavs bench. Neither being any kind of deciding factor. You're in for disappointment if you think the bench will win it for the Mavs.

  4. #129
    The Dude minds DPG21920's Avatar
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    Jag gets it.

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    I see BadFish's breakdown of the series has persuaded you. Can't say that I blame you tbh. It was pretty compelling.
    he stole the mavs in 6 from me, mavs in 6 is mine.

    Anyway its a win win situation tbh, if the mavs win it cherry on the cake in 6 my prediction based on great bb takes is correct, if they loose it will mean that the mavs are the definitive chokers... now or never

  6. #131
    As hetero as the next guy Narutoluva's Avatar
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    heat in 4, tbh

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    NT? more like SO i said
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    ambchang is my bitch Daddy_Of_All_Trolls's Avatar
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    Mavs got this. Wade can't win without Shaq.

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    NT? more like SO i said
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    I've said it before, and I'll say it again...nobody is getting by the Heat.
    oh boy!

    Game 1: Heat
    Game 2: Mavs
    Game 3: Mavs
    Game 4: Heat
    Game 5: Mavs
    Game 6: Mavs

    Mavs in 6.
    http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...02#post5269602

  10. #135
    TheDrewShow is salty lefty's Avatar
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    Refs will go 2006 on Dallas

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    The Wheel Is Turning... shelshor's Avatar
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    http://www.nba.com/news/referee.html
    Referee Assignments
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    Dallas @ Miami: Steve Javie; Mike Callahan; Bill Kennedy
    Alternate: Bill Spooner

  12. #137
    What does it mean? TheInternets's Avatar
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    I'm curious as to who the Mavs think they'll get production out of consistently in this series aside from Dirk.

    Do you Mavs fans really think that JJ ing Barea is going to go off on a top 3 defense in the NBA?

    Dirk is going to average ~35 in this series. But aside from him, I don't see anyone on Dallas that can readily score.

    Terry and Peja are going to struggle getting shots off against the length of Miami, who are roughly 150x better at closing the distance to perimeter shooters. Those open 3s that fell against LA and OKC simply won't exist against Miami, the shots just won't be there in the first place.

    Who's going to get penetration into the lane against Miami? Kidd? Terry? Stevenson? I don't see any of them giving Miami trouble on the offensive end. Dirk is a nightmare, I just don't see a lot of dependable options on the Mavs against a defense that's truly playing at an elite level. Maybe Tyson goes off for a career series?

    Not even saying the Heat are clearly a better team... I just think they matchup really well with Dallas, and matchups usually decide the series. Miami simply has more mismatches vs. the one big German matchup problem.

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    Who is your master?^^

  14. #139
    Big like a pickle. Shank's Avatar
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    lol at thinking the Mavs have ever relied on penetration into the lane

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    lol at thinking the Mavs have ever relied on penetration into the lane
    So the goal of the Mavericks is to shoot as many jumpers as possible?

    Has that ever worked against a great defensive team?

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    Big like a pickle. Shank's Avatar
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    So the goal of the Mavericks is to shoot as many jumpers as possible?

    Has that ever worked against a great defensive team?
    To this point, it's taken out quite a few teams. It's an anomaly, yes, but it's a system that's worked for them. Aside from Barerererererra and French Jesus, there's no one that can penetrate any time they'd want.

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    goodness, some people see the word "jumpshot" and instantly think thats a bad thing, which is bull (something we expect on a regular basis from a dumb like Cry Havoc)

    the Mavs arent your typical "jumpshooting" team. most jumpshooting teams, take lots of bad shots, have a fast paced offense that isnt very good in halfcourt sets, etc... The Mavs aren't any of that. They rely on smart ball-movement, strong picks, and crisp passes to get very open, higher percentage jumpers.

    The whole notion "you cant win with jumpshots in the playoffs! " is crap. The ability to hit jumpshots is every bit as important as scoring through penetration/slashing/post play, usually referred to as "paint points", although I think the term "easy buckets" is more applicable, because easy buckets dont always come in the paint.

    Name one team in NBA history that won a championship without several proficient jumpshooters. Basically every champion had at least 3-4 really good jumpshooters, along with players who could score easy buckets. Balance is the key, and the Mavs all year have been perhaps the most balanced offensive team in the league, along with Boston and the Lakers. Dirk can score anywhere he wants. Honestly, Barea can get a good shot off at any spot on the court as well, as long as hes not trying to do too much. Marion and Chandler mostly get "easy buckets" off of mismatches, offensive putbacks, or good ball-movement, and arent guys that a defender can wander off of, like Dampier was. The Mavs have a floor general in Kidd who helps the entire team get easy buckets. Then there are shooters in Peja, and Terry (Dirk, Barea, and Kidd are all very good shooters too).

    They arent a typical team in terms of being able to penetrate, but their extremely high collective IQ, great ball-movement, and most of all, Dirk, is more than capable of overcoming that weakness, to a point that it rarely hurts the team when they are actually playing motivated, like they have all postseason.

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    goodness, some people see the word "jumpshot" and instantly think thats a bad thing, which is bull (something we expect on a regular basis from a dumb like Cry Havoc)

    the Mavs arent your typical "jumpshooting" team. most jumpshooting teams, take lots of bad shots, have a fast paced offense that isnt very good in halfcourt sets, etc... The Mavs aren't any of that. They rely on smart ball-movement, strong picks, and crisp passes to get very open, higher percentage jumpers.

    The whole notion "you cant win with jumpshots in the playoffs! " is crap. The ability to hit jumpshots is every bit as important as scoring through penetration/slashing/post play, usually referred to as "paint points", although I think the term "easy buckets" is more applicable, because easy buckets dont always come in the paint.

    Name one team in NBA history that won a championship without several proficient jumpshooters. Basically every champion had at least 3-4 really good jumpshooters, along with players who could score easy buckets. Balance is the key, and the Mavs all year have been perhaps the most balanced offensive team in the league, along with Boston and the Lakers. Dirk can score anywhere he wants. Honestly, Barea can get a good shot off at any spot on the court as well, as long as hes not trying to do too much. Marion and Chandler mostly get "easy buckets" off of mismatches, offensive putbacks, or good ball-movement, and arent guys that a defender can wander off of, like Dampier was. The Mavs have a floor general in Kidd who helps the entire team get easy buckets. Then there are shooters in Peja, and Terry (Dirk, Barea, and Kidd are all very good shooters too).

    They arent a typical team in terms of being able to penetrate, but their extremely high collective IQ, great ball-movement, and most of all, Dirk, is more than capable of overcoming that weakness, to a point that it rarely hurts the team when they are actually playing motivated, like they have all postseason.
    word!

    That especially applies to Dirk. One of the reasons people say you need a low post player to win a championship is because someone needs to get easy baskets. But when they think Dirk, they say "jumpshooter"", i.e no easy baskets. But when you look at Dirk's ridiculous efficiency and shooting percentage, is there anyone out there who is better at getting "easy baskets"?

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    Game 1 is a must win for the Mavs.

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    Bosshog in the cut djohn2oo8's Avatar
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    Game 1 is a must win for the Mavs.
    Why? They split the series and have 3 at home. Not really a must win

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    Why? They split the series and have 3 at home. Not really a must win
    They can't chance going down 0-2 tbh. Winning tonight would eliminate that chance. Then they have to play hard and win at home three straight times, which won't happen and Miami will win this series in 6.

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    we rang stretch's Avatar
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    word!

    That especially applies to Dirk. One of the reasons people say you need a low post player to win a championship is because someone needs to get easy baskets. But when they think Dirk, they say "jumpshooter"", i.e no easy baskets. But when you look at Dirk's ridiculous efficiency and shooting percentage, is there anyone out there who is better at getting "easy baskets"?
    Lack of consistent jumpshooting is perhaps the #1 reason why the Celtics, Bulls, Lakers, and Thunder all got beat by the Mavs and Heat. They were all teams that are known for scoring tons of "paint points" and/or have low post scorers, but without good floor spacing by means of deadly shooters, their great paint scorers ended up being pretty useless.

    Looking at the Mavs, any time a team started focusing on preventing Dirk, Barea, Chandler, or Marion from getting easy buckets, they would get their ass busted from 3 by Terry, Peja, and Kidd. When they would try to take Peja, Terry, and Kidd out of the game by preventing them from getting open 3s, Dirk would score at will, Marion would get easy buckets, and Chandler would get non-stop alley-oops and put-backs. It's what makes the Mavs offense so tough to stop. But they key for this to work, is that their shooters are showing up and making the other team pay. If they keep shooting well, there is no reason the Mavs shouldn't beat the Heat, as the Heat are probably the least well equipped team that the Mavs have faced at trying to contain the Mavs front-line of Marion, Dirk, and Chandler.

  23. #148
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    However, this is a series where finally, having Marion in the starting lineup as opposed to Butler may really hurt the Mavs. Butlers shooting ability forced Lebron to defend honestly, instead of running around freely and making defensive plays. Marion's lack of a shot is going to force the Mavs to find a way to make Lebron pay if he leaves Marion running free, which might be tough. It's hard to know what to expect from Marion when facing Lebron on defense. But I trust Carlisle will find an answer, as he has done all postseason when a team found a way to exploit the Mavs.

  24. #149
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    Which Mavfan jumps ship after losing game 1? My guess is Mainstream Mono.

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