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Or Magic after 5
Yeah funny how the awards are a joke now but were not when Hakeem played because it suits you. You think people don't see through this line of bull you peddle.most of these awards are a joke. Just look at how many All Defensive teams Kobe has over Olajuwon.
Also funny how you and everyone else ignore this:
Bird had a freaking Hall of Fame front line across the board and never won without TWO Hall of Fame bigmen. Larry Bird needed two to four Hall of Famers to win three championships. For his first ring he had two Hall of Famers. For his second ring he had THREE Hall Of Famers. For his third ring he had FOUR Hall of Famers. I mean seriously, WTF with the "Kobe only won because he had more talent around him than anyone" bull . The talented teammates list starts with Larry Joe Bird.
Magic needed TWO Hall of Famers and a 6-Time League MVP and top 2 player all-time to win five.
Kobe won five with only ONE Hall Of Famer on his team for those championships assuming Gasol does indeed make the HOF. And Gasol was 0 wins and 12 losses in the playoffs before he met Kobe.
Jordan had two Hall of Famers for three of his rings.
How many Hall of Fame players have won five or more rings with only one other Hall of Famer on their team?
Not Jordan, Not Bird, Not Magic, Not Russell, Not Shaq, Not Duncan.
LMFAO at the talented teammates argument.
Or Magic after 5
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Dude the awards are ty nowadays because the media and coaches doesnt seem to care as much and they changed the criteria for the most part. All NBA teams in particular are all based on reputation. Every knows Kobe doesnt deserve thos 1st team defensive selections for AT LEAST the past 2-3 years.Yeah funny how the awards are a joke now but were not when Hakeem played because it suits you. You think people don't see through this line of bull you peddle.
# 1. Shaq and Gasol are both HOF'ers.
# 2. Unlike Magic who practically carried the Lakers into a championship during his rookie year, Kobe ran out of gas when it mattered (Finals). I don't think he ever shot better than 45% in the Finals and his playoff numbers dips in June. Larry & Magic always performed better. I think this is where the seperation becomes apparent.
I'm not one of those critics who uses Kobe's supporting cast against him, all the great ones needed help. I do believe however that Kobe had/has the better teammates. Dude, we're talking about Shaq here lol and Gasol whose been the second best european player in this decade. McHale IMO is overrated, so is James Worthy. Robert Parish too. Larry Bird and Magic carried their tired asses. You can't say the same for Kobe tbh.
The real problem for Lebron is that I doubt he will ever be beloved by the fanbase. Miami isn't really known as a basketball hotspot, so he won't get the same love that Jordan, Bird, Magic etc generated.
And Namlook, what a ing awful take.
Tell me, how many Hall of Famers were the Lakers matched up against during their first threepeat?
This.
No one outside of puppet Laker Fan respects the rigged les. Only Kobe FanBoi thinks Bryant played a leading role in any of them.
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Champing this year will begin to change all of that.
Repeating or doing 2 of 3 will also ramp up the love Xs 10.
LeBron is already better then Kobme and the gap will just keep getting wider as we move forward.
Kobe: 5
tired old bag Duncan: 4
& that's just the way it's gonna be, Fabbs.
at the current trajectory lebron's career is heading, he will have not problem beating out kobe's accomplishments. lebron's stats and efficiency are better, he is on course to have about the same number of all-nba, defensive all-nba, and all-star selections, and lebron already has more MVP's than kobe (lebron's count will increase imo). lebron just needs a couple rings and finals MVP to wrap things up, which will be easily achieved in the 8-10 years he has left.
the real debate is whether or not wade can surpass kobe.
How come no one ever discusses the time off Jordan took? It's very hard to keep competing mentally that long and if Jordan never took those two years off who is to say that he wouldn't have burnt out? I think the time off helped him recharge mentally and physically, not many players can do that.
Wade doesn't have a chance anymore. Wade's peak was wasted from 08-10. This year and the next 2,he will be under Lebron's shadow. Wade may crack Top 15 if the Heat wins at least 2 more les.
#1: Kobe has only had one Hall of Famer playing beside him at any one time him when he won five rings. That's the point. No other Hall of Fame player in NBA history other than Kobe has won five rings with only one other Hall of Famer playing beside them on each championship run. No one.
Furthermore, Gasol is not even a lock for the Hall. Before he hooked up with Kobe for a full season he had made only one all-star game in 7 years and was 0 wins and 12 losses in the playoffs. Suddenly he becomes all-world when he joins Kobe. That's ing hilarious. Ya think Kobe had anything to do with Gasol's sudden success? Maybe just a little?
Kobe had better teammates than Bird and Magic? Players like McHale and Worthy were overrated? Complete bull . You obviously never saw them play. Worthy was a finals MVP playing with Magic and Kareem. Barkley said McHale is the best player he ever played against. Yeah they were overrated. LOL. How about Kareem with 6 league MVPs?
Point of all this being that Lebron is not passing Kobe in an all-time list by winning one ring. He'll realistically need four rings including at least four more years of 1st team all-NBA performance to be talking about that. And it also depends what else Kobe does the rest of his career. If Kobe squeezes out 6 or 7 rings in his career Lebron ain't passing him with only four, particularly given the talent level Lebron is playing with right now.
I'd like to see what Lebron can do with just he and Wade and no other all-stars - just non-allstar role players around those two top five players. That would be the true test.
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I would say LBJ surpassed Kobe if he established himself as a leader and repeated. It is still Wade's team, but if he can win a finals MVP this year that might change.
I would equate LBJ getting a ring from this team to Kobe getting a ring with Shaq. A lot of help from a superstar caliber player. If Wade wasn't there I would say it would be more noteworthy than when Kobe repeated.
As of yet, it will take a few more accomplishments for LBJ to surely surpass Kobe. He's superior by stats, though; a more versatile player.
A few things.#1: Kobe has only had one Hall of Famer playing beside him at any one time him when he won five rings. That's the point. No other Hall of Fame player in NBA history other than Kobe has won five rings with only one other Hall of Famer playing beside them on each championship run. No one.
Furthermore, Gasol is not even a lock for the Hall. Before he hooked up with Kobe for a full season he had made only one all-star game in 7 years and was 0 wins and 12 losses in the playoffs. Suddenly he becomes all-world when he joins Kobe. That's ing hilarious. Ya think Kobe had anything to do with Gasol's sudden success? Maybe just a little?
Kobe had better teammates than Bird and Magic? Players like McHale and Worthy were overrated? Complete bull . You obviously never saw them play. Worthy was a finals MVP playing with Magic and Kareem. Barkley said McHale is the best player he ever played against. Yeah they were overrated. LOL. How about Kareem with 6 league MVPs?
Point of all this being that Lebron is not passing Kobe in an all-time list by winning one ring. He'll realistically need four rings including at least four more years of 1st team all-NBA performance to be talking about that. And it also depends what else Kobe does the rest of his career. If Kobe squeezes out 6 or 7 rings in his career Lebron ain't passing him with only four, particularly given the talent level Lebron is playing with right now.
I'd like to see what Lebron can do with just he and Wade and no other all-stars - just non-allstar role players around those two top five players. That would be the true test.
#1. I don't know why you keep pointing out that Kobe only had 1 HoF with when he helped the Lakers win championships. I'm pretty sure Bird & Magic also didn't had teammates that were in the hall at that time. Seriously, that doesn't make sense and I was just going to ignore that part but you keep bringing it up for no reason.
#2. Gasol is a lock for the HOF. it's not based solely on NBA accomplishments. He's a very accomplished European athlete. just google his list of accomplishments, it's actually mind boggling. several player of the year, MVP's and Gold Medals etc. Like it or not, he's a lock.
#3 McHale and Worthy are pretty overrated tbh, especially McHale.
So what happens when LeBron is 0-2 in final's series?
Matching Kobe's 2 L's in finals as well.
lol leave it to beaver lookin mutha aSo what happens when LeBron is 0-2 in final's series?
Matching Kobe's 2 L's in finals as well.
Don't pretend to be so dense and confused like you don't know what I'm talking about. You know exactly what I'm talking about. It's pretty clear which Lakers players from the past decade are talented enough to have a chance at the Hall of Fame. And we already know which players have made the HOF from all those 90's and earlier previous teams so what's your point other than pretending like you don't understand?
You responded to this earlier by saying Shaq and Gasol were both Hall Of Famers.
No other Hall of Fame player in NBA history other than Kobe (who is a lock for the HOF) has won five rings with only one other Hall of Famer (or potential Hall of Famer) playing beside them. No one.
There, that better? Help your confusion any?
Gasol being a lock or not is a matter of opinion which is irrelevant to this discussion since I have been operating under the assumption he will make it for the purposes of my comments.
McHale and Worthy were overrated by who exactly? Are you trying to say they didn't deserve to be Hall Of Famers? If that's what you're hinting at that's another pile of bull . Go watch the NBA Dynasty series of the Celtics and Lakers videos if you aren't operating from first hand knowledge of seeing these guys play like I did.
How many players in NBA history have put up a 26.1 PPG 9.9 RPG 60.4% FG season like McHale? Let me help you a little. Shaq has never bested all three of those numbers in one season. Neither did Kareem, or Wilt, or Hakeem, or Russell, or Duncan, or Malone. That's an example of how good McHale was and why Barkley says he's the best player he ever played against. Overrated my ass.
Last edited by namlook; 05-31-2011 at 05:14 AM.
The guy is a pussy and all but he's a HOF lock. That's one more prayer not answered
I agree with OP, it's clear LeBron is the better player than Kobe, but he needs a ring before you can call him greater.
I also lold @ Kobe being better than Olajuwon. Hilarious. There are 2 ends of the floor.
Who cares? So the Lakers got a threepeat off in what most people think was essentially the weakest time in the league. Now, I will say that argument could work for the last two, but Hakeem and others have won a few rings without a beta male.
Also, pretty hilarious that you try to equate Parish/McHale with Shaq. Shaq was much more dominant than either of those two. When's the last time you ever heard of Parish or McHale being put in anyone's Top 10 lists?
I agree with this, but no way is Kobe getting 7 rings. Time just ain't on his side.
Why should he have to? If you remember right, your team was studded with Hall of Famers one year. 2004 ring a bell? But you guys didn't ring.
I would've liked to see Lebron go to a different city and make his own team. But we all know Lebron doesn't have the mental makeup for that now, he's proved it. He needs to be a Robin.
Anything can happen, Ln. Who'd a ever thunk that a savvy NBA veteran like Pierce would play back on Artest in a Game 7 last June?
he ain't no Robert Horry, Skunker.
Excuse me. Stinker!!
Lebron has already surpassed Kobe in terms of pure raw skill and leadership.
Kobe still has him beat in accolades but that will change very soon. Poor Kobe, he is a nobody in the league these days.
The Skunker!!!
True that. Whoda thunk that the Lakers would lose by 30+ in a Finals deciding game, then go out like punks in the 4th game of a sweep, throwing cheap shots?
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