Apple sucks

[SourCandy]

Phones nowadays are like computers. You buy one off the shelf and your good....for a while. Few months? Then you need updates software changes and such

Only way your good is if you buy a phone gut it and change it and have the smarts(or know someone who does) to keep it fresh and running sweet.

I hate computers and I hate phones..for all the pc they put in it(but i like it too haha)Next I'm gonna start hating cars with all the tech savy stuff they are putting in it nowadays too! As if cars were not complicated enough!

ok i'm done

[MannyIsGod]

Everyone here understands you're making an analogy but I think everyone also understands that you're making a bad analogy. See my above post.

Its very simple, do you think its a good idea for software companies to push software updates that will cause them and their customers headaches? The fact that you can ignore the update is irrelevant. Wouldn't the fact that you have to ignore their updates be proof in favor of the OP that Apple does in fact suck?

When Apple gives you an update, you don't think you should be able to assume it runs faster? Maybe its just me, but I think thats fairly reasonable.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

They were making PIIIs 3 years ago?

When you have to use a 12 year old processor to prove your point you're probably doing a ty job of making a point.

But, for simplicities sake, lets go with your (bad) analogy. Lets say in 2000, I bought a Pentium III from Dell. Then in 2011, when I turn on my PIII desktop, Dell's updater informs me there is an update for my machine and its Windows 7. You think thats a good idea on Dell's part?

In terms of iPhones CPUs I'd think a PIII is par with a 3G chip compared to an iPhone 4 chip. Will a Core2duo satisfy you? Oh wait. That's a dual core which 3G's didn't have. Hence PIII

With any OS upgrade, and I'm talking complete OS, you have to see if you can run it with what you have. He went from iOS 3 to iOS 4 which makes it a completely different OS. don't really know how else to simplify it to you and hater. The ones that can't seem to understand.

[MannyIsGod]

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Maybe my mistake was not using a large font when I tried to tell you that your analogy sucked. For that, I apologize.

[MannyIsGod]

In terms of iPhones CPUs I'd think a PIII is par with a 3G chip compared to an iPhone 4 chip. Will a Core2duo satisfy you? Oh wait. That's a dual core which 3G's didn't have. Hence PIII

With any OS upgrade, and I'm talking complete OS, you have to see if you can run it with what you have. He went from iOS 3 to iOS 4 which makes it a completely different OS. don't really know how else to simplify it to you and hater. The ones that can't seem to understand.

Ok, fine. But here's the point that you can't possibly counter. If you expect Hater to know better, why the don't you expect Apple to know better?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Everyone here understands you're making an analogy but I think everyone also understands that you're making a bad analogy. See my above post.

Its very simple, do you think its a good idea for software companies to push software updates that will cause them and their customers headaches? The fact that you can ignore the update is irrelevant. Wouldn't the fact that you have to ignore their updates be proof in favor of the OP that Apple does in fact suck?

When Apple gives you an update, you don't think you should be able to assume it runs faster? Maybe its just me, but I think thats fairly reasonable.

Ok, Manny, there's a reason there's an iOS 4 for an iphone 4. Is that a good analogy. Picture in your head a perfect world where an iPhone 3G will smoothly run iOS 4. Can you see it?

[Viva Las Espuelas]

I swear, Manny. You'd debate that a boar's s are full of worth til you're satisfied.

[MannyIsGod]

Where I see it or not is not the issue. The issue is whether or not Apple should see it. Thats kinda the point when he says that Apple sucks.

Let me know if the big font is needed to make you understand.

[MannyIsGod]

I swear, Manny. You'd debate that a boar's s are full of worth til you're satisfied.

You shouldn't come to a battle of wits unarmed and then whine about it. Errr, I mean you shouldn't try to use a PIII to run Windows 7 and then whine about it.

[leemajors]

Do you think Apple should issue a reminder for someone to update their phone to a piece of software that will not run well? I don't.

Also, the processor difference is substantial between the two phones but I really doubt that the hardware intensity of the two IOS versions is all that great. The processor difference will absolutely make a difference in apps but I'm not too sure that is the case for the baseline OS.

Perhaps ElNono can fill us in on that since he would know better than you or I would.

It runs fine for some. My brother has a 3G phone that runs 4.2 and it works great. My best friend has a 3G that runs like unless it is restored every other week. I would imagine the OP has a hardware problem of some sort exacerbated by software, but it would cost to have it repaired/replaced.

I think it's a lot easier to code a warning for any iPhone plugged in rather than differentiating between models, or determining which specific phones may be able to run it well or not.

Of course, the OP could just call tech support, state he was having serious problems after upgrading his phone and request to speak with CR. Once on the line, he could state his complaint calmly and state it was seriously affecting his decision on whether to purchase Apple products in the future, which he really wants to do since he has sunk a decent amount of money into the iOS/iTunes ecosystem. They would likely offer a free repair/replacement, and he could have a refurb on his hands he could hack and sell or just keep until something else came along. They were offering a lot of exceptions for this very reason when 4.0 first came out. Or he could just whine on a messageboard.

[diego]

maybe they shouldnt share the same software platform if there is such a disparity in hardware capacity. I agree with Hater, the average user (especially the average Apple user) will see the word update and hit yes trusting that the manufacturer is recommending the update by notifying them of it.

From here it seems like just a money grab, to get people to buy new phones.


any comparison to windows or android is really not equivalent, because those are open platforms where you are expected to check the hardware / software compatibility as they come from different manufacturers. what is the point of having a closed system (which you pay a significant price premium for) if I have to treat my devices and software as if they were from different manufacturers, and rely on reviews, blogs and users to find out what works and what doesnt? Plain and simple, Apple should not have sent a notification for an OS update to a device that can't handle it, that has nothing to do with "keeping up with technology" or user irresponsibility.

[MannyIsGod]

It runs fine for some. My brother has a 3G phone that runs 4.2 and it works great. My best friend has a 3G that runs like unless it is restored every other week. I would imagine the OP has a hardware problem of some sort exacerbated by software, but it would cost to have it repaired/replaced.

That makes more sense then. I guess that PIII can run Windows 7 after all.

I think it's a lot easier to code a warning for any iPhone plugged in rather than differentiating between models, or determining which specific phones may be able to run it well or not.

Of course, the OP could just call tech support, state he was having serious problems after upgrading his phone and request to speak with CR. Once on the line, he could state his complaint calmly and state it was seriously affecting his decision on whether to purchase Apple products in the future, which he really wants to do since he has sunk a decent amount of money into the iOS/iTunes ecosystem. They would likely offer a free repair/replacement, and he could have a refurb on his hands he could hack and sell or just keep until something else came along. They were offering a lot of exceptions for this very reason when 4.0 first came out. Or he could just whine on a messageboard.

If Apple gave him a refurb that would be pretty damn awesome.

[MannyIsGod]

maybe they shouldnt share the same software platform if there is such a disparity in hardware capacity. I agree with Hater, the average user (especially the average Apple user) will see the word update and hit yes trusting that the manufacturer is recommending the update by notifying them of it.

From here it seems like just a money grab, to get people to buy new phones.


any comparison to windows or android is really not equivalent, because those are open platforms where you are expected to check the hardware / software compatibility as they come from different manufacturers. what is the point of having a closed system (which you pay a significant price premium for) if I have to treat my devices and software as if they were from different manufacturers, and rely on reviews, blogs and users to find out what works and what doesnt? Plain and simple, Apple should not have sent a notification for an OS update to a device that can't handle it, that has nothing to do with "keeping up with technology" or user irresponsibility.

Bingo.

[leemajors]

That makes more sense then. I guess that PIII can run Windows 7 after all.



If Apple gave him a refurb that would be pretty damn awesome.

Dunno why you are lumping me in with the Win 7 stuff

They have been known to do so on many occasions.

[diego]

sorry, but to add to the pIII win 98 - windows 7 analogy:

between win 98 and windows 7 there were 2 different versions of windows released, XP and vista.
likewise, there were at least 4 different intel CPU architectures released in the 10+ years between a pentium 3 and the iCore lines.

I do run windows 7 on a pentium 4 though (with aero off, as a media server). It actually needs more RAM than it does CPU power. I prefer win7 over XP because it has better networking performance, especially when it comes to supporting WIFI and external disks.

[MannyIsGod]

Dunno why you are lumping me in with the Win 7 stuff

They have been known to do so on many occasions.

I didn't mean to make it seem like I was lumping you in. I just had to take another shot but it wasn't directed at you.

[Cry Havoc]

You know Apple is slipping when, after years of proclaiming it's extreme superiority to anything non-Steve Jobs-based, Apple users are using Microsoft's operating system as a basis of comparison.

Also: 3 years != 12 years. There's just no way you can make that comparison. I had a top of the line computer in 2000 with a 1 Ghz PIII and 256mb of RAM. That was the fastest chip you could buy, because they just broke the 1Ghz barrier. So again, the comparison is ridiculous. The differences between a modern day computer and a PIII are much greater than those between an iPhone 3G and an iPhone4.

It's like getting a Hero and installing Honeycomb on it. It's just plain stupid and you shouldn't do it. Some phones can handle the new stuff and most phones can't. Every maker does it.

You... do realize that Honeycomb is more efficiently designed than Eclair, and thus will likely run as well on a Hero as 2.1 does, right? I mean, that's the argument you're attempting to make, right? People are using their Nooks with ~2 year old procs in them and Honeycomb is just fine. I'm betting a Hero wouldn't struggle to run 3.0.

[Dex]

If Apple made computers and devices that people were meant to hold onto for 10 years, their business would crumble to the ground. Same goes for most technology companies.

[diego]

thats fine and dandy, but the objective should be to make products so improved that people want to upgrade, not force them to by crippling their old products

[Cry Havoc]

If Apple made computers and devices that people were meant to hold onto for 10 years, their business would crumble to the ground. Same goes for most technology companies.

Apparently 3 years is now the limit.

[Dex]

Apparently 3 years is now the limit.

Which is, coincidentally, the exact same length of time the will warranty any hardware.

Five years and older is obsolete, as far as they are concerned.

[Nathan Explosion]

You know Apple is slipping when, after years of proclaiming it's extreme superiority to anything non-Steve Jobs-based, Apple users are using Microsoft's operating system as a basis of comparison.

Also: 3 years != 12 years. There's just no way you can make that comparison. I had a top of the line computer in 2000 with a 1 Ghz PIII and 256mb of RAM. That was the fastest chip you could buy, because they just broke the 1Ghz barrier. So again, the comparison is ridiculous. The differences between a modern day computer and a PIII are much greater than those between an iPhone 3G and an iPhone4.



You... do realize that Honeycomb is more efficiently designed than Eclair, and thus will likely run as well on a Hero as 2.1 does, right? I mean, that's the argument you're attempting to make, right? People are using their Nooks with ~2 year old procs in them and Honeycomb is just fine. I'm betting a Hero wouldn't struggle to run 3.0.

My aunt had a Hero that was struggling to run Gingerbread. Again, might be a hardware problem. A Hero's specs are vastly inferior to an Evo and will stuggle to run what is designed to run on a dual core chipset. The Nooks are running a rooted version with mixed results from what I'm hearing, and I've been asking because I thought about getting a Nook and rooting it (you see, I research before I do something).

As for the MS comparisons, here's one. My iBook G4 running Tiger could not run Leopard. I know you're going to say the chipset is different, and it is, but the speed of the chip wouldn't be able to handle it regardless of the chip maker (Motorola vs Intel). I can't even run Youtube videos on it because the hardware isn't up to par anymore. And we're talking just one OS difference between the two.

He's barely ing about this now, while the information about the 3G running iOS4 has been out there for a while. A little research could have saved him a lot of trouble. But don't let your laziness get in the way of a good ing.

[Nathan Explosion]

Which is, coincidentally, the exact same length of time the will warranty any hardware.

Five years and older is obsolete, as far as they are concerned.

In the technology world, 5 years is ancient unless you future proof your stuff. My computer is ancient by today's standards, but I added a faster chip, big HD and nice amount of RAM when I was buying it, and it still runs great. Not the best by any stretch of the imagination, but definitely better than adequate. If I added a better video card, I'd have it running as good as some of the lower end PCs coming out today.

But then again, a desktop is much easier to upgrade on the fly. As for phones, well, there's a reason 2 year contracts are put out there (other than the main reason of making money). After two years, your smartphone is pretty much done and newer hardware is available to leave your current phone in the dust. Just keep up or stop complaining when you're left behind.

[MannyIsGod]

You're a fool if you think a phone's shelf life is 2 years.

[ElNono]

iOS 4 has some features turned off on the 3GS exactly for that reason (performance). I still have my 3GS around here running iOS 4, and it's ok. The problem is that after using something much faster (iPad, iPhone 4), it's very hard to go back to a noticeable slower device. It happens on the computer world too.