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@ you stooping down to my level
made. Why don't you go out there and get a real job. Make sure you bring your Medal with you
You're a waste of skin Harlem. 18,000 posts and youre still trying so hard to get validation from people you don't know
made. Why don't you go out there and get a real job. Make sure you bring your Medal with you
Kobe, he surrendered without trying with the Hornets, few NBA rookies have such lack of faith in their skills.
LeBron at least tried with the Cavs.
Still viewing this thread HarlemHeat37.
you must be really bothered by my comments
Thank Christ. It's a business. It's life. Life ain't fair.
Kobe told Stern how it was gonna bePERIOD
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Duncan - 2 (1999 was a scrimmage-like season that no one counts, 2007 was Manu & Parker's team)
Kobe - 1 (.5 credit for 2009 & 2010 as co-leader with Gasol, no credit for riding Shaq)
that BR.
well son its the honest truth. Kobe has never once in his career been a clear choice as the team's leader or even the team's best player.
oh and in 2007 Tim Duncan was basically Catwoman while Manu was Robin and Parker was Batman.
Lebron.
LeBron copied Kobe's coat-tailing schtick when he teamed up with Shaq
He figured if it worked for Wade it would work for him, except Wade was actually a pretty good leader
truer words have never been spoken
Lebron attempted to coattail by allowing old, washed up useless Shaq to come to town?LeBron copied Kobe's coat-tailing schtick when he teamed up with Shaq
lmao I'm not gonna comment on the leader part, but you guys do realize that was 2006 Shaq, right? You also realize Lebron played with him just 1 year ago...the year before Shaq became the most pathetic washed up 3 minute per game during 20% of the season and 0% playoff playing coattailling right? (instead of simply just a massive rotting pile of useless )He figured if it worked for Wade it would work for him, except Wade was actually a pretty good leader
Jesus, Shaq's past attempt with the Celts was exponentially more pathetic than Karl Malone and Gary Payton joining the Lakers.
Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, Ron Artest
Kobe: 5
tired old bag Duncan: 4
I approve of this thread, tbh... keep it up son
Should have Kobe won the first ever 4 championships for the Hornets being the batman, he could compare with Duncan.
However, he picked to play for the Lakers and the Lakers only (as he could coattail prime Shaq, in addition to some "marginal" players in their prime too: Van Excel, Eddie Jones, Cevallos and Campbell).
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Le , no doubt! He was a choker in Cleveland, and took his roody poo, candy ass to South Beach, and forever enslaved himself as Wade's . While Kobe just had Shaq's ass shipped off. Kobe would have never done that, nuh uh, not on my watch
The more I thnk about it, this "coattailing to rings" argument is stupid. Yeah, I have bought into it before, but if you look closely, it all seems to point to an attempt to reduce one player's accomplishments, Kobe. Now that LeBron is being considered a "Robin" he gets labeled such.
Of course the Lakers faded when Shaq left, everyone knows they were a two man team. Rings are team accomplishments, not individual accolades anyway. If you have the stats, the rings fit. Do Magic and Kareem get thir rings devalued for needing each other? Of course they don't. Larry Bird needed McHale and Parish. Bill Russell won 11 rings with a stacked lineup, year after year...far more stacked than any teams in NBA history, especially relative to the entire league. Had Bill played for the Pistons, he would be ringless and forgotten.
The two most individually dominating players in NBA history are Jordan and Chamberlain. LeBron will join them if he keeps his stats and game effort going another 5 years or so. It won't matter how he gets his rings. It won't matter if he gets only 2 or 3, he will be in the conversation.
Anyone who can't see that LeBron is on track to join MJ and Wilt as the most individually talented players to ever play the game is an idiot. He just needs to play the next few years on a similar par to what he has had already. Even if he never rings, he will be up near the top. Just not yet. He's too young. Longevity is all he needs, that will prove he can sustain what he has shown already. He won't need to get more than 5 rings to pass Kobe, or join MJ conversations. Wilt has only 2, and he's up there, where he rightfully belongs.
Just for clarification, Jerry West traded for Kobe's draft rights on July 1, 1996. Shaq signed with the Lakers as a free agent on July 18, 1996. Kobe may have only wanted to be a Laker. But even if he forced the trade to the Lakers, it was before Shaq was a Laker.
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