I'm with you. More nanny-state republicanism at it's finest.
I'm sure the Texas legislature will pass a similar law next session.
If you don't put out the fire, the whole neighborhood will get high, then you will have to worry about a entire block of people going on welfare.Man, if you want your house fire put out you're going to have to pee into a cup. We don't need to spend government money putting out fires for druggies.
What would I do? Nothing because there is no problem. Thats kinda my point, Drachen. So far you've provided nothing to back up a claim there is a problem here worth solving by the state. I haven't seen any data that this will save the state any money or have any long term positive results.
Isn't all of that kind of necessary to show you have a problem before you actually try to solve it?
The voters eat it up. You can always target the usual suspects of the poor, immigrants, and criminals and act "tough" as a politician while actually accomplishing nothing.
Here is some info that I found. I am just wondering about the definition of the term illicit drugs.
20% seems pretty steep to me.Although almost 20 percent of welfare recipients report recent use of some illicit drug during the year, only a small minority satisfies internationally accepted diagnostic criteria for drug or alcohol dependence.
Illicit drug use and dependence are more common among women receiving welfare than among women who do not. Drug use is a risk factor for welfare receipt, even after controlling for race, educational attainment, region and other factors.
Alcohol dependence also appears more prevalent among women receiving welfare than among those who do not, though this effect is smaller and more ambiguous than is the case for drugs.
The prevalence of illicit drug use among welfare recipients nationally declined between 1990 and 1998, although recipients are more likely than non-recipients to use drugs.
Psychiatric disorders, especially major depression and post-traumatic stress disorder, are more prevalent than illicit drug dependence among welfare recipients. States should screen, assess, and refer to treatment those welfare applicants and recipients who have a broad range of mental health and substance abuse problems that hinder the transition from welfare to work.
link?
Illicit = illegal = Controlled Substances used recreationally
It was hyperlinked in the "Here" that began his post:
http://www.saprp.org/pm_keyResFind.cfm
thank you
thank you
Do they throw the ones that fail the test into the oven?
I know a lot of people who receive government assistance, and a whole bunch of them are pot heads. I don't have a problem with this bill at all. You can say the percentage of drug users both on welfare and not are identical, but the difference between the two is one is government sponsored drug use and the other is not.
You see, among many foodstamp recipients, you can actually buy stamps at 2 for 1 price for cash. $50 gets you $100 worth of food. Those $50 can then go to the drug habit or alcohol to feed the addiction. So yes, the people are using government benefits to buy drugs. Tax dollars are being used to fund drug habits.
Or to put it another way, to some people, welfare is their job. And last time I checked, every job I've applied for required a drug test. So if these people want to get paid, then they should pee in a cup, just like the rest of the people applying for jobs. Unemployment benefits should also be added to the bill.
Florida, doing something right.....for once.
Welfare recipients use their welfare money to buy drugs. WTF Manny?
pointless if they are not going to do randoms while they are receiving it.
You would kn...... I mean, SUP PEGO?
FIFY, tbh...
Any drug test that is a one time initiative test is just a complete waste of money. Especially for the users that use drugs that are out of your urine very quickly, like most drugs. It just so happens that the least harmful drug to society is detectable for quite some time.
In any case where receiving free money is involved, there should be mandstory drug tests. You shouldnt get to do drugs unless you have a Job and youre paying for them yourself!
Thank goodness Florida has found a more efficient way of further degrading those people receiving aid from a program meant to help them, rather than putting any energy into trying to solve the many issues that encourage drug use within poor and marginalized communities.
Regardless of how responsible a person you are, under the eyes of the the government you shouldn't get to do drugsPERIOD unless it's that very harmful legal one.
In any case where receiving free money is involved, there should be mandstory drug tests. You shouldnt get to do drugs unless you have a Job and youre paying for them yourself!
Its not free money. Pretty sure that we all pay taxes in case we need the assistance at some point.
BTW I just had massive Deja Vu.
What are these issues tbh??? I can maybe see where you are going, depending if I'm correct, don't necessarily disagree. But TBH, solving "the drug problem" is no poor phenomenon, it just so happens that those areas they live in for obvious reasons are where the police are concentrated in.
I cannot make myself any more clear in this thread: trying to solve the natural human demand for drugs that dates thousands of years is a stupid goal for the US Government. That should just be thrown out or at least significantly reformed.
I didn't say throw them in jail. But you're wasting tax dollars to fund drug habits. Take away the welfare checks and let them fend for themselves. Random test the people and let the users go empty handed.
Too many people abuse a system that was meant to be a temporary assistance. There are people who are using the system for the right reasons, and they're being mixed up with the career welfare recipients.
Check this out.
ODB was rich as , and still getting food stamps. This is the that needs to stop. People use to government to often and it's wasting billions of tax dollars. Start weeding out the stragglers from the truly needy and go from there.
If you want to use drugs, go ahead, as long as you don't hurt someone. Just get a job and earn your own cash to fund that habit. Don't rob, murder or steal for drug money (and selling stamps for drug money is stealing).
oh, i didnt realize it was a one time deal. its a waste then
Any drug test that is a one time initiative test is just a complete waste of money. Especially for the users that use drugs that are out of your urine very quickly, like most drugs. It just so happens that the least harmful drug to society is detectable for quite some time.
Yes I agree with that, but that's not necessarily the issue here. The drug tests won't stop people as a whole from using. What it can possibly due is take away the government assistance that is being used to fund the drug habit. That's my problem.
I'm not giving people money to buy drugs. I'll lend someone money to buy groceries or fix their car or pay a bill or what not. So why should my tax dollars be used to buy drugs? Buy drugs with your own money. My money is used to help people live their lives while they're struggling.
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