Alabama passes tough illegal-immigration law

[baseline bum]

Does this mean I need to ask for a green card every time I buy a bacon-wrapped hotdog?

[baseline bum]

If I tip my waiter in Alabama, does that mean I can be prosecuted?

[baseline bum]

If I went out to dinner with a woman who wasn't a legal resident, would I be in trouble for picking up the check?

[elbamba]

Good law.

Could you elaborate what exactly you like about the law.

[elbamba]

So if there are 150,000 illegals in Alabama, and the state targets them all beginning July 1 anyone want to take a guess as to what that pretty little legal bill will cost. Detain them, hold them, prove that they are illegal before a court, hold them during appeals, turn them over to ICE...if ICE wants them, they can sit in another cell until they go before an Immigration judge, then they can sit in a cell until they go before the Board of Immigration Appeals, then they can appeal to the federal district court, then they can appeal to the cicuit court of appeals, then they can appeal to the US Supreme Court.

I am not saying that there is not a need for stricter immigration reform, but states passing stupid laws like this make no sense at all. Furthermore, it does nothing but waste taxpayer money in large amounts. Stupid and pointless and I do not see how this is the least bit fiscally responsible or plausible.

[jack sommerset]

Could you elaborate what exactly you like about the law.

The first sentence of the article sold me on it

Alabama schools will soon have to check if students are in the country legally and people stopped for any reason could be arrested on su ion of immigration violations under a sweeping law being called the nation's most restrictive against illegal immigration.

[elbamba]

The first sentence of the article sold me on it

Alabama schools will soon have to check if students are in the country legally and people stopped for any reason could be arrested on su ion of immigration violations under a sweeping law being called the nation's most restrictive against illegal immigration.

And you think that will hold up against established supreme court law Pyler v. Doe which established that children of illegal immigrants have the right to attend public schools? I guess it makes sense to check whether they are legal or not and then do absolutely nothing about it. Sounds like the current federal immigration law.

I think its great that police have the power to stop and arrest anyone they suspect could be an illegal immigrant. It will sure be a good time to be a civil rights attorney in Alabama. I can smell the 1983 and Bivons actions already.

[TeyshaBlue]

Again, the state addresses the problem from the back end. Rather than looking at cause/effect, they just outlaw effect.

[jack sommerset]

And you think that will hold up against established supreme court law Pyler v. Doe which established that children of illegal immigrants have the right to attend public schools? I guess it makes sense to check whether they are legal or not and then do absolutely nothing about it. Sounds like the current federal immigration law.

I think its great that police have the power to stop and arrest anyone they suspect could be an illegal immigrant. It will sure be a good time to be a civil rights attorney in Alabama. I can smell the 1983 and Bivons actions already.

Umm, I think it's a good law and if allowed to be carried out according to the law, illegals will flee the good state of Alabama and hopefully the US of A.

[elbamba]

Umm, I think it's a good law and if allowed to be carried out according to the law, illegals will flee the good state of Alabama and hopefully the US of A.

So I have told you that the Supreme Court has already ruled on part of this law with a 1982 case. Do you still think that it is good to draft a law that has already been ruled uncons utional? Are you okay with legislators, on the tax payers dime, drafting uncons utional law? I would be pretty pissed if I was paying someone to draft a case I already know I have lost.

[Wild Cobra]

The article says it's illegal to knowingly give an illegal immigrant a ride.

I think this is it (Alabama legislature, SB256):

(3) Transport, or attempt to transport, or conspire to transport in this state an alien in furtherance of the illegal presence of the alien in the United States, knowingly, or in reckless disregard of the fact, that the alien has come to, entered, or remained in the United States in violation of federal law or any applicable state law. Nothing in this subdivision shall be construed to prevent a bona fide religious organization from transporting persons to and from church functions.

Now I agree that isn't real clear, but I read it to mean you intend to help in the illegal status.

I would say that should be rewritten.

[Wild Cobra]

So apparently if I see an illegal walking down the road, struggling from the heat because no one will give him a ride, I go to jail if I stop and hand him a Sprite.

Do you know he's illegal?

[LnGrrrR]

Do you know he's illegal?

It depends on what "reckless disregard" means. Does it mean you have to ask to see someone's papers/require ID when you give them a ride?

[Wild Cobra]

It depends on what "reckless disregard" means. Does it mean you have to ask to see someone's papers/require ID when you give them a ride?

No, earlier in the legislation, it spells certain things out. Just finished skimming it.

SB256

[LnGrrrR]

What page is that on WC?

[Wild Cobra]

What page is that on WC?

LOL...

making me look again?

[Wild Cobra]

Page 6 section 3-10. Presumes legal unless verified to be illegal.

[baseline bum]

Do you know he's illegal?

Let's say yes, as I notice his bullet wound from your rifle.

[Wild Cobra]

Let's say yes, as I notice his bullet wound from your rifle.

What if I made a mistake? Besides. I have a difficult time believing you would believe me...

[ChumpDumper]

What if I made a mistake? Besides. I have a difficult time believing you would believe me...

You would be going to prison either way.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Transport, or attempt to transport, or conspire to transport in this state an alien in furtherance of the illegal presence of the alien in the United States, knowingly, or in reckless disregard of the fact, that the alien has come to, entered, or remained in the United States in violation of federal law or any applicable state law.

if he's brown, turn around.

[Sense]

What is going on with the US these days... wow.

[Oh, Gee!!]

if english he cannot talk, make him walk

[fyatuk]

Now I agree that isn't real clear, but I read it to mean you intend to help in the illegal status.

I would say that should be rewritten.

True, the intent is obviously aimed at people like coyotes, and not regular joes.

[Agloco]

Do they not learn?