NBA Finals Game 6: Mavs @ Heat - Brought to you by the good folks of Game 7

[badfish22]

DGP is so mad hes not even making sense anymore.

That doesn't make any sense.

real original. So mad he can't come up with his own comebacks.

[DPG21920]

You aren't trolling, you're just being re ed.

[Viva Las Espuelas]

Either the Mavs win it Sunday or Heat on Tuesday. What a wild and crazy playoff season this has been. Best in quite a while.

[dbreiden83080]

Good game but Heat win

Do or die game 7.. Watch all the Mavs role players miss all those wild hail mary's back in Miami.

[DPG21920]

I can see Dallas closing it out in 6 now. I said when they won that game 2, they likely broke MIA's back. MIA has let up too many times and now the Mavs are up when they shouldn't be. It would take a massive collapse for Dallas to not win at this point.

[stretch]

Stretch, you are a really good poster, especially when you aren't trolling. You are also a massive homer most of the time (which isn't a terrible thing). But look at what you are saying.

Those "loose ball fouls" all go against MIA. It's almost a statistical anomaly. MIA also has played teams all throughout the playoffs that were longer and taller and they never had that problem. Why is that? They have also been a top 2 or 3 team in FT's all year and all of the sudden that changes as well? Against the Mavs who are always middle of the pack? Has there ever been an finals series where a team that has a FTA average greater than the other has lost that stat in 80% of the finals games?

Philly's big men suck.
Boston's big men included Jermaine O'Neal and Nenad Kristic.
Chicago's "big men" aren't very big. Noah is what, 6'9?

Dallas employs two 7-footers in their starting lineup, along with a very solid rebounding PG (Kidd) and solid rebounding SF (Marion).

I think the FT disparity has something to do with the fact that Dallas is defending Miami differently than any other team has. Not a single team has used the zone as much as Dallas has, nor does any team have a zone as complicated as Dallas has. They are basically daring Miami to settle for more jumpers than they pretty much ever do. Maybe if Lebron or Wade had more legit postup games, they would be able to still take advantage of weaker defenders, like Shawn Marion even does when people play way off of him.

MIA has more than held their own in rebounding as well, so I don't get where that comes from. For as much as they have settled, they have gotten into the paint enough times to warrant winning the FT battle if not at least being about equal from a game to game standpoint (Dallas has gotten more FT's in 4 out of 5 games).

I didn't say that Dallas was a better rebounding team. Just that they have a physical advantage that makes Miami have to work hard. The extra hard work Miami has been putting in on the rebounds has resulted in extra offensive boards that they fight very hard for, but at times it backfire and results in stupid fouls. Seriously, how many times this series has Haslem and Joel Anthony been a dumbass and tried going right over their man's back for a board, when they had no shot in at getting it? Go back and watch, you will see what I'm talking about. I have watched every game (except last nights game) twice already, sometimes three times.

Besides game 3 which was terribly in the Mavs favor, the officiating hasn't been that bad, but since game 2, it has clearly been in the Mavs favor. My entire point is that with a team that shoots jump shots primarily (and MIA is doing that as well this series), you shouldn't be winning the free throw battle that consistently, especially when you never have before all season long compared to the other team.

So basically the only case you have for saying that the officiating is in the Mavs favor, is because their offense requires good jumpshooting skill?

Like I said, several FTs each game has come from stupid loose ball fouls by Miami. 6-8 come from Dirk simply being too hard to stop. And theres a few trips each game from fouling Chandler/Haywood/Mahinmi from getting an easy bucket at the rim. I think you forget that Miami still lacks a legit interior defender. Sure they guard the paint well, but because they have to collapse with all their perimeter defenders, not because they have a paint presence. The size they give up to the Mavs allows for Chandler and Dirk to have more chances at easy buckets at the rim.

Mav fans acting like "Dallas is doing a good job of not fouling" are just being a little silly and the only reason they "aren't fouling" is because the whistle has been a little inconsistent on what is a foul. If the Mavs play the same and the refs start blowing the same fouls for the same contact, it doesn't mean Dallas is doing anything different (which I suspect in game 6).

Going by technicalies, sure, Dallas is getting away with fouls. But so is Miami. Fact is, they have for the most part allowed this to be a physical series, and Dallas BY FAR has proven to be the more physical team in the series. They are the team giving the hard fouls, playing physical defense. I think people are just so used to Dallas being such a finesse team that they are still not wanting to accept that they are not like those old teams anymore. They are MUCH more physical and willing to administer the hard fouls and even subtle cheap shots from time to time to play mind games with the other team.



On a side note:

All the "homer" bull is just that... bull . Most everything I have predicted this year has been pretty spot on, despite you basically trashing every opinion and calling me a "homer". Last year after the trade was the first time since 2006-2007 I honestly felt the Mavs were a legit contender. Sure, I was wrong in the outcome of the series against the Spurs, but I don't think I was wrong at all in what I saw in the Mavs in terms of the talent and potential they had. They just needed more time to gel and get it figured out. You have lived entirely on my optimism last year against the Spurs that was incorrect, and because I was wrong that time, you never shut the up about "stretch is a homer!!!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!"

Going by the logic that you use to constantly call me a homer, then you are every bit as big of a homer then, considering you constantly scoffed at my opinions that Dallas was a more legit contender than the Spurs (who BTW got knocked the out of the first round by an 8th seed) and a legit threat to the Lakers (who got their pushed in by the Mavs), while the Mavs are on the verge of winning the Finals. Get that out of here with that nonsense. Having optimism about your team being talented doesnt make you a homer. Wanna see homer takes? Go look at 21blessings constant chugging of Andrew Bynum and Kobe Bryant, neither of which can do no wrong, both of which are the best players in NBA history in his opinion. Or Obstructed_View and him thinking Tim Duncan is still the best player in the NBA and the other 200 dumb takes he has. But I think if you actually look at my posts, while I stick up for the Mavs, I'm the first to point out flaws in their game as well.

[dallaskd]

Heatfan cant complain about calls when its tied with 3 minutes to go and your team settles for jumps shots. Even if the calls are SLIGHTLY leaning towards Dallas, the heat are still in reach at the last two minutes and cannot finish

[DPG21920]

I don't post emoticons and just randomly mock you for being a homer. You are a homer and both Mav and Spurs fans see it. You were right about the Mavs only one time and it was this year. You would have said the same (which you did the previous years) about them being a contender, so the fact they happened to be this year doesn't mean you aren't a homer.

Me saying a team (the Spurs) who kicked the Mavs in the first round (just last year) and had the best record in the West was better than the Mavs who just lost Caron was not being a homer. Especially when I explain why and don't just say the same thing every year. If you remember, I was one of the few who spoke out against most of the things the Spurs did and said they weren't a contender all year long.

I do read your posts and like I said, when you aren't trolling (which you have dialed down and I was the first to point out) you are a very good poster. The point it is I have heard you for years saying this and that about the Mavs without being objective. Even before the "trade".

[Ace]

Heatfan cant complain about calls when its tied with 3 minutes to go and your team settles for jumps shots. Even if the calls are SLIGHTLY leaning towards Dallas, the heat are still in reach at the last two minutes and cannot finish

I never complained about the refs even if it is in the Mavs favor, Heat have been in position to win still. So I won't blame the refs.

[DPG21920]

Heatfan cant complain about calls when its tied with 3 minutes to go and your team settles for jumps shots. Even if the calls are SLIGHTLY leaning towards Dallas, the heat are still in reach at the last two minutes and cannot finish

I agree. I'm not putting the series on the refs at all. That is just ST knee-jerking b.s. to try and act cool and rip on someone. What I have said is that Mav fan in general is acting like everything is even-steven and going as planned with regards to free throws. They are acting like Dallas is being some super aggressive team (meaning, playing differently than normal in that regard) and they aren't. MIA is the team not playing normal, but even with that being said, they still should not be losing FT's 4 out of 5 games and it has played a HUGE role in keeping games close.

If the normal and expected FT disparity would have played out, Dallas would not be up a game.

[mavsfan1000]

The refs absolutely deserve blame IMO, some posters are too classy to blame refs, Harlem isn't..let's be real here..if Miami wasn't involved, everybody would be talking about the refs..however, since it's a team that everybody hates, they're happy to watch them play with that type of adversity..

Just like the Spurs in '06..robbed by the refs, but non-Spurs fans don't talk about it, because they were all happy to see it.. can't breathe on Irk..

[Ace]

The refs absolutely deserve blame IMO, some posters are too classy to blame refs, Harlem isn't..let's be real here..if Miami wasn't involved, everybody would be talking about the refs..however, since it's a team that everybody hates, they're happy to watch them play with that type of adversity..

Just like the Spurs in '06..robbed by the refs, but non-Spurs fans don't talk about it, because they were all happy to see it.. can't breathe on Irk..

I would feel like BR if I blamed the refs and at that point suicide would be the inevitable... With that being said the calls are a bit much, especially with Dirk.

[Bill_Brasky]

I would feel like BR if I blamed the refs and at that point suicide would be the inevitable...

BR is always the first one to about reffing, yet he hasn't posted about it this series......interesting.

[Ace]

BR is always the first one to about reffing, yet he hasn't posted about it this series......interesting.

That wigga is one of many that have nothing to say because its the Heat. Harlem is right, if it was the other way around or any other team there would be a uproar...

[stretch]

I don't post emoticons and just randomly mock you for being a homer.

this part right here is so full of that I didnt even bother reading the rest of your post

i cant begin to tell how many times you would reply to a post with something like "lol homer. you are a dumbass. remember what happened last year how I was right and you were WRONG?!?!?!?! you bring horrible takes. LOL"

[stretch]

I never complained about the refs even if it is in the Mavs favor, Heat have been in position to win still. So I won't blame the refs.

in defense of my Ace, hes been a real boss throughout this series, not whining about stupid . showing great support for his team in loss, and not acting like an overconfident in wins.

my

[stretch]

I agree. I'm not putting the series on the refs at all. That is just ST knee-jerking b.s. to try and act cool and rip on someone. What I have said is that Mav fan in general is acting like everything is even-steven and going as planned with regards to free throws. They are acting like Dallas is being some super aggressive team (meaning, playing differently than normal in that regard) and they aren't. MIA is the team not playing normal, but even with that being said, they still should not be losing FT's 4 out of 5 games and it has played a HUGE role in keeping games close.

If the normal and expected FT disparity would have played out, Dallas would not be up a game.

who said MIA is playing normal, aside from morons? I think I have posted here before that something seems seriously wrong with Lebron, and hes not being himself. part of it is that he is facing a defense hes not used to, but some of it seems like he is completely unfocused for whatever reason.

truth is, if Miami had a legit coach, this series would have probably already been over, with the Mavs getting their asses kicked.

the officiating has not been nearly as horrible as you think. its more so because Miami is the "soft jumpshooting team" that everyone thought was going to be Dallas. but for whatever reason, Dallas has just kept playing their game with confidence, while Miami has been out of their element.

[Ghazi]

I'm nervous as

[DPG21920]

Ghazi! I want a game 7!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Sup, DPG

[LakerHater]

Good 'ole home cookin for Miami!

[joshdaboss]

I agree they are probably better defensive teams than the Mavs, but part of it is that the Mavs type of defense is a bad matchup for the Heat. The other part is that the Mavs make them work 100000000000000000000x harder on defense, because they actually can score points in a mul ude of ways. Boston and Chicago especially, both are not strong at all offensively.

The other part is they're being allowed to foul the out of LeBron without calls.

[Bill_Brasky]

BR has actually implied that the Mavs are getting calls, he used Wade's 2006 as an excuse for it..with that being said, like Ace said, he's a Heat hater and has been cheering for the Mavs for a while..

Let's be real..despite this "San Antonio Heat" perception, there are actually very few people on ST that are cheering for the Heat..most people seem to want to see Nowitzki win a ring, for some reason, which compounds their hatred towards the Heat..

Absolutely.....there are like 3 people on this board who want to see the Heat win. lol

I'm flamed for being a bandwaggoner yet every other Spurfan seems to be a Mav nutrider atm. It's ing weird.

[TampaDude]

I can see Dallas closing it out in 6 now. I said when they won that game 2, they likely broke MIA's back. MIA has let up too many times and now the Mavs are up when they shouldn't be. It would take a massive collapse for Dallas to not win at this point.

^ this

It's clear that in this Finals the Mavs are closers and the Heat are not.

[Bill_Brasky]

Mavs didn't look that great in Miami save for the last 6 minutes of game 2. Can they pull some like that again, or can Miami get the first blowout of the series? When they went back to Dallas after the second game, the goal was to at the very least win 1 there, and they did....take care of business at home, and the trophy is in Miami.....