It`s obvious that RJ isnt high on their list, but if they couldnt trade Kaman for SF, Spurs might have a chance. Not a draft pick, but Blair and deal could be done. Clippers need SF, they wont play Aminu or Gomes in s5, and Kaman is already gone.
But they are Clippers. They would take a draft pick, and go into rebuilding mode once again.
RJ would be better off in the more uptempo style of offense, that the Clippers play. And with all the attention generated by Blake Griffin, he'd get numerous wide open looks. Spurs need to set him free because he never made sense in SA from the gitgo.
I'm sure RJ would welcome a return to the West Coast.
Clippers probably don't want any more 1st round picks. They could be ripe for the taking. Whatever trade proposals are discussed, if any, the Spurs should fenagle a 1st round pick out of them.
Asking Clippers to give up a good center with an expiring contract in addition with taking RJ's contract is likely too much.
The RJ trade that makes the most sense for Clippers is RJ for Ryan Gomes. Gomes has been bad for them, has still $8M left on his contract and will be their 3rs sting SF behind RJ and Aminu.
I doubt it. It's not about open looks, which he got plenty of with Duncan, Ginobili and Parker getting attention.
It's about touches for RJ, and he wouldn't be getting any more with guys like Griffin, Gordon, Kaman, and so on being ahead of him in the pecking order.
Maybe he would squeak out some more alley-oop attempts, but his declining athleticism would soon leave him out.
Do you think Clippers could add theirs pick, since they have T-Wolves pick next year ? RJ = Gomes + pick ? Or RJ + Bonner + Blair/Anderson + Dice = Kaman + Gomes + pick.
Why would the clips add a pick when they are taking on RJ's contract? Damn, I know we all want the spurs to get the best of trades, but this is out of control...
Clippers already have traded their 2012 first round pick last year to get Bledsoe in the draft.
And I agree with yavozerb. Even RJ + #29 for Gomes would be a great trade for Spurs.
They should have never brought back Bonner or RJ last year.
Bottom line,
The Spurs are trading, the question is, what are we getting, everybody knows what the Spurs need, and therefore every big man is going to have more value against the Spurs, what the we need to do is sign a big man from the free agent pool, we all know that Tim is gonna have to let some of his money go, to be able make some cap room. Then we should trade TP for the SF we need, and the reasons we need to trade TP are simple, 1 hes the most value asset we got, 2 the dude is loosing value as he continues playing with all the drama in his personal life, and 3 is alot easier to find the next TP than the next Manu or Duncan. And the last point I would like to make is the following, RJ has to go to any team for any draft pick, and money, just to have them take our garbage out, some people would said that he has no value, but theres a few teams where he will fit their system, and that should be some of our offseason goals.
Just talking. RJ is serious upgrade to Gomes. But since they already get rid of their 2012 pick, it is end of topic.
Why would the Spurs want Gomes if he's owed about the same money? RJ is bad but not as bad as Gomes...
Gomes is only owed 4 mil for 2 more seasons...LAC are way under the cap so they can take a player like RJ and not give back a player of equal value..
I wander if Atlanta want an upgrade at Point Guard?
Tony Parker and Matt Bonner for Al Horford and Kirk Hinrich?
We immediately get a 15pt 9 reb all star calibre Centre and a downgrade at PG but still an adequate Point Guard with career averages of 13 and 6 and shot 40% from three this year.
Atlanta get a superstar Point man and Bonner and or Blair or whoever the they'd want.
We'd have a nasty lineup especially if we then got rid of RJ for someone.
Horford
Duncan
RJ/ or F/A SF
Manu
Hinrich
Not too bad?
atlanta will never trade horford
To me a trade to get RJ out of San Antonio would be to pair him with Parker and see if Utah want to trade them for Al Jefferson and Devin Harris. Unlikely Utah would give up someone of Big Al's size and skill cause that is rare. AK47 is a F/A so the Jazz may have a void at SF to fill and RJ would fill that need nicely.
That would leave us with
Al Jefferson
Tim Duncan
F/A SF
Manu Ginobili
Devin Harris
If you could nab a Boris Diaw, Josh Howard, Andre Kirilenko to start at SF that would be a formidable lineup. (can't think of any other F/A SF at the moment)
It's hard to imagine the spurs not having tony on our team but this is just for discussion for fans hey. Nobody in here is an nba executive or knows what the execs are thinking :-) It's a lineup i'd love to see.
I love that fans throw out anything from semi known names to unattainable ones, reasonable or not. Keeps it depressingly fresh.
It's a long offseasonWe fans have plenty of time to throw out ty trades (realistic or unrealistic/improve our team or not) which most likely would never happen.
When it comes down to it, you arent a GM, i am not a GM, nobody else in here is a GM so we don't know WTF will happen. It's a longer then expected offseason for fans to dream and pretend what we'd do if we were a GM.
Does anyone here know when Free Agency and the Trade Period begins?
I've been enjoying reading your enthusiastic trade scenarios, however as R.C. eluded to, Tim won't be playing the 4 b/c he can no longer guard them. So it would seem we need a 4 more than a 5, with Tiago certainly being an important piece at the 5. I think we need to be thinking who can start next to Tim. The idea of finding a new SF is also very much on every one's wish list, but not as likely or as big of a priority.
Thanks Spurs10, i didn't know or forgot that RC eluded to that.
Sadly tim can hardly guard 5's or score on them either, most are too big and too strong for him especially with the weight he lost last year to minimise the wear and tear on his legs. Then gets abused by smaller quicker more athletic PF's like Millsap, Aldridge etc. It's tough seeing the Great One on the decline. In his prime he would dominate those sort of players while hardly breaking a sweat.
Age is a bitter twisted narcissistic bas that nobody can defeat:-(
Ain't it the truth....
Essentially, the Spurs delimna is this...
Tim Duncan isn't really an offensive or defensive force - he's more of a 10 pts / 6 rebound guy who will have spurts of his game of old but for the most part will be average. And, he'll be earning $21 million to do it if a new deal isn't worked out. IMO, the only untradeable asset.
Tiago Splitter really should be THE guy relied upon to score and be more of a defensive presence. If all goes extremely well, he'll be a 15-18 pt / 8-10 rebound a game guy. Expectations will be probably be 12/7 or so...tradeable but one of the last to go if needed.
DeJuan Blair is interesting in that he can really play - can score, gets out and fills the lane on fast breaks and can rebound. Just too much of a liability on defense due to lack of length. Not sure of what he will be expected to contribute and when - can't imagine there will be GREATER expectations of him next year.
Richard Jefferson - could possibly contribute if in a different system (that allows him to be one of the primary options AND if given room to make moves). Since SA doesn't run that system, he's a significant liability in that his lack of defense doesn't justify his playing time or salary.
Matt Bonner - role player, 3 pt shooter. Worth every penny when he's shooting >37.5% from beyond the arc; when he's not, he's a defensive liability. Is being paid to much for such a role.
McDyess - retired.
Ryan Richards - not ready for prime time.
Given those options, I would suggest that the Spurs bite the bullet and just concede to re-building. That would mean they trade DeJuan Blair and some other asset (preferably Jefferson but perhaps Hill, Neal, Anderson or Butler) and pick up a VETERAN defensive small forward. Perhaps a sign and trade for Tayshaun Prince, AK47, Wilson Chandler, whomever.
Next, they should commit to starting TP, Anderson or Butler (whichever one is best and isn't traded), FA SF, Splitter and whomever the Spurs can pick up w/ the 29th pick. Manu would be the 6th man and TD would come in off the bench. Essentially, the Spurs would start 3 "new" people.
That would mean that 1 year from now, they would have a core of TP, Anderson/Butler, FA SF, Splitter and 29th pick w/ quite a bit of cap space once Duncan's salary comes off the books. Another few years and Manu's would come off as well.
You lost me in the first paragraph when you said Duncan was a 10/6 player (13/9, actual) who wasn't a defensive force. Of all NBA big men, he had the second best pts/100 possessions in the league while on the floor.
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