The Dallas Mavericks dared Lebron to beat them, and he wilted.

[LkrFan]

I disagree. What good is his physical skills when his mental skills negate it. He may have a lot of knowledge of the game off the court, but on the court, he's extremely low IQ'd. He doesn't know how to utilize the strengths of his team and use it for his advantage. He constantly suffers from the hero complex. A complete play would be Jordan. A player who encompasses both physical and mental skills.

Jordan's legend grows every day. Every single damn day.

[Giuseppe]

A complete play would be Jordan. A player who encompasses both physical and mental skills.

He kept ing around with the gambling until a couple crackers murdered his father & Stern suspended his ass.

MJ, he was a real piece of work.

[LkrFan]

He kept ing around with the gambling until a couple crackers murdered his father & Stern suspended his ass.

MJ, he was a real piece of work.

[BobKnight]

He kept ing around with the gambling until a couple crackers murdered his father & Stern suspended his ass.

MJ, he was a real piece of work.

I was talking about MJ as a player. His off court lifestyle ? I could care less.

But if you want to talk about off the court ? Kobe takes the bill for assness. Socially awkward, recluse, superstar who can't get pussy, buys his love, hides his insecurity with his hero complex, snitches, , I could go on and on.

[Giuseppe]

I was talking about MJ as a player. His off court lifestyle ? I could care less.

But if you want to talk about off the court ? Kobe takes the bill for assness. Socially awkward, recluse, superstar who can't get pussy, buys his love, hides his insecurity with his hero complex, snitches, , I could go on and on.

If off court lifestyle affects on court result then that is part & parcel. In MJ's case that is clear & convincing.

& I neither deny nor ameliorate Bryant's deeds. I bear his/my crosses in public. My only condition? I insist that everybody else follow suit.

[BobKnight]

If off court lifestyle affects on court result then that is part & parcel. In MJ's case that is clear & convincing.

Regardless, I stand by what I've originally stated.
Kobe is not the mental wizard people are making him out to be.

[Giuseppe]

Regardless, I stand by what I've originally stated.
Kobe is not the mental wizard people are making him out to be.

Agreed. Kobe is a sociopath. Functioning, yes, but, without conscious nonetheless.

But, MJ's actions prior to his one year suspension cost his father his life & the Bulls another shot at a Quad Peat. Then the tried to sneak back 15 games left in the season to steal a ring. Only Penny & Daddy were able to put the stopper in the bottle on that little charade.

MJ has no room.

[BobKnight]

Yes, MJ is quite the de able character both on and off the court I agree. So much so, he came back and raped Big Daddy the following year and the rest of the nba the following 3 years.

I don't even like the guy but the man just hates losing more than anyone else.

[Giuseppe]

Yes, MJ is quite the de able character both on and off the court I agree. So much so, he came back and raped Big Daddy the following year and the rest of the nba the following 3 years.

I don't even like the guy but the man just hates losing more than anyone else.

Then he turned into a bagman for Stern, went to D.C. & gave it away.

Just shows ta go ya.

[BobKnight]

I agree ?

But we're talking about Kobe here.

[Giuseppe]

I agree ?

But we're talking about Kobe here.

Uh, uh, none of that crapola.

Everybody is fair game.

[joshdaboss]

I didn't say Wade has no holes in his game but his game is more polished than LBJ's

No. It isn't. LeBron destroys him in every statistical category, including statistics pertaining to jump shooting.

(for the record, Kobe is the most complete player in the game)

Really? When LeBron can score better, pass better, shoot better and defend better? That's interesting. These aren't opinions, by the way, I'm going by statistics.

. Wade does have holes in his game. Your post tells part of them, but he is still better than LBJ.

So basically what you're saying, is despite every piece of hard evidence, Wade is still better. Reason being, he just is. LOL The same goes for Kobe, too!

LBJ is being exposed (again) on the biggest stage.

LeBron isn't playing up to his standard (his standard being far and away the best player in the league) for the series, I'll agree with that, but at the same time the referees are giving him no respect and sending a jump shooter to the line if anyone even dares to play defense on him.

He's 0-4 w/o Wade and 2-3 with him. He's "awesome" if you ask me.

This is obvious trolling, or you just don't know very much about the game. LeBron James taking a team of Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Drew Gooden, Sasha Pavlovic and Eric Snow to the finals is FAR more impressive than ANY championship Kobe Bryant has EVER won. That's painfully obvious.

I'll go a little bit deeper as well. Just curious, but what was Cleveland's record this season after he left the team? What was their record last year? You'll have to refresh my memory on that.

[LkrFan]

No. It isn't. LeBron destroys him in every statistical category, including statistics pertaining to jump shooting.

LeBron check my stats James, ! That's all you got? How pathetic is he when the chips are down? Very pathetic.

Really? When LeBron can score better, pass better, shoot better and defend better? That's interesting. These aren't opinions, by the way, I'm going by statistics.

Bull . Kobe is the 2nd best scorer in NBA history behind Wilt (100 > 81 > 69 > whatever LBJ ever scored). Kobe doesn't have to score as much as he did when he had Kwame, Mihm, Smush, and Cook as teammates. He has help now. LBJ a better defender? How many All Defensive teams does Kobe have v. how many for LBJ? It's all subjective anyway.

So basically what you're saying, is despite every piece of hard evidence, Wade is still better. Reason being, he just is. LOL The same goes for Kobe, too!

Wade is outperforming LBJ. That's something people like you and HarlemHeat won't come to grips with. Kobe, even in his 15th year, is still the most complete basketball player on the planet. He's equal to or better than LBJ and Wade in the following categories:

• Scoring
• Rebounding
• Better footwork
• Better jumper
• Better range on his jumper
• Better low post game
• Better leader

Again, Kobe can still give the Lakers 30/night but we don't need him to.

LeBron isn't playing up to his standard (his standard being far and away the best player in the league) for the series, I'll agree with that, but at the same time the referees are giving him no respect and sending a jump shooter to the line if anyone even dares to play defense on him.

Dallas figured his ass out. Rebound: to prevent him from turning into a an out of control locomotive destined for and-1s and FTAS. Form a wall behind his primary defender - the Matrix: just in case he gets by him and tries to get to the rim. Make him a jump shooter: his jumper is erratic and since he can't get a clean look like he's used to, he's building condominiums with his premium brickage. Zone his ass: because he has no midrange game. He hasn't progressed in 8 years and has no counter for what Dallas is doing to him. I've seen Kobe outscore Dallas by himself through 3 qtrs (62-61), but they are locking LBJ down. Why? Because he has no counter moves when they take away what he wants to do.

This is obvious trolling, or you just don't know very much about the game. LeBron James taking a team of Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Drew Gooden, Sasha Pavlovic and Eric Snow to the finals is FAR more impressive than ANY championship Kobe Bryant has EVER won. That's painfully obvious.

His supporting cast >> Kobe's. They went lottery year after year stockpiling lotto picks prior to tanking for the #1 pick (LBJ). The team was custom built for LBJ. Kobe? After the 2004 season, Malone, GP, Shaq, Fisher, Fox, and ever other decent veteran bolted leaving Kobe by his lonesome. Despite it all they were one rebound away from upsetting the heavily favored Suns that year. Maybe you are the one trolling.

I'll go a little bit deeper as well. Just curious, but what was Cleveland's record this season after he left the team? What was their record last year? You'll have to refresh my memory on that.

Cleveland didn't just lose LBJ. They loss Varejo, Big Z, and suffered a ton of injuries to many of their key players. Not saying LBJ wasn't a big loss, but it wasn't the only one. Show me any team that loses as much players they have due to free agency, trades, or injury, and I'll guarantee you they will be a lottery team.

[BobKnight]

Bull . Kobe is the 2nd best scorer in NBA history behind Wilt (100 > 81 > 69 > whatever LBJ ever scored).

One 81 point game in chucker mode against a ty team doesn't make you the the 2nd best scorer in the NBA history. MJ>Bean and does so in the Finals as well.

Kobe, even in his 15th year, is still the most complete basketball player on the planet. He's equal to or better than LBJ and Wade in the following categories:

• Scoring
• Rebounding
• Better footwork
• Better jumper
• Better range on his jumper
• Better low post game
• Better leader

Complete players wouldn't go out of the playoffs in ass fashion.
What happens when Mr.Bean's talented bigs plays well ? He rings.
What happens when Mr.Bean's talented bigs suck ? He gets swept.
Complete player ? I think not. He's too dependent on quality bigs. Plus he's too low IQ'd to be a complete player.

Kobe scored more than LB and Wade this year, but also took more shots.
LB's and Wade's scoring would go down this year due to both of them being teammates. LB/Wade both rebounded better than Kobe this year. Better footwork, jumper, and low post is just aspects of the game.
LB/Wade is superior in other areas (defense, athleticism, power, size, etc.).
Kobe is a wannabe leader. He's a loner and a recluse. Who the would follow that ? Derek Fisher is the real leader on the team.

After the 2004 season, Malone, GP, Shaq, Fisher, Fox, and ever other decent veteran bolted leaving Kobe by his lonesome. Despite it all they were one rebound away from upsetting the heavily favored Suns that year.

No, he quit on Game 7. He mentally waved the white flag.

[Giuseppe]

No, he quit on Game 7. He mentally waved the white flag.

Your James quit in last year's playoffs.

You've no room.

[BobKnight]

My Lebron ? Who says I'm a Lebron's fan.

I don't even live in the States, just ask Kori to check my IP. I've no allegiance to any teams or players. If I had to pick one player, it's Wade.

[Giuseppe]

My Lebron ? Who says I'm a Lebron's fan.

I don't even live in the States, just ask Kori to check my IP. I've no allegiance to any teams or players. If I had to pick one player, it's Wade.

That's your problem. You, you designated [Miami Heat] as your team.

And you're livin' with it. Good & bad.

Let us proceed...

[joshdaboss]

LeBron check my stats James, ! That's all you got? How pathetic is he when the chips are down? Very pathetic.

Triple doubles are pathetic. Just goes to show you his true greatness, when people are all over his ass after scoring triple doubles.

Bull . Kobe is the 2nd best scorer in NBA history behind Wilt (100 > 81 > 69 > whatever LBJ ever scored).

HAHAHAHAH. You can't Possibly believe that? He isn't even the best scorer of his generation. Shaq, Iverson and LeBron are all definitely better at scoring.

Kobe doesn't have to score as much as he did when he had Kwame, Mihm, Smush, and Cook as teammates. He has help now.

Yet, he still manages to shoot 20 times per game.

LBJ a better defender? How many All Defensive teams does Kobe have v. how many for LBJ? It's all subjective anyway.

You're completely correct here, the all-defensive teams are totally subjective, as evidenced by Kobe being on the first team. Tbh, when Kobe was selected all-defensive first team this year, I think everyone that knows anything bout basketball stopped lending any credence whatsoever to it.

Wade is outperforming LBJ. That's something people like you and HarlemHeat won't come to grips with.

Is he playing better in the finals? Yes, absolutely. But playing better for 5 games doesn't erase James playing 100x better than Wade the first 3 rounds.

Kobe, even in his 15th year, is still the most complete basketball player on the planet.

Based on what? Your opinion? rofl

He's equal to or better than LBJ and Wade in the following categories:

• Scoring
• Rebounding
• Better footwork
• Better jumper
• Better range on his jumper
• Better low post game
• Better leader

Can you show me the numbers to prove any of this? In science, theories need to be proven before they're accepted. This will be the case here, as well. Unfortunately for you, you'd never be able to, considering everything you're spewing out is utter horse . lol

Again, Kobe can still give the Lakers 30/night but we don't need him to.

He can? Maybe he should have done that when he was in the process of getting swept by the Dallas Mavericks.

Dallas figured his ass out. Rebound: to prevent him from turning into a an out of control locomotive destined for and-1s and FTAS. Form a wall behind his primary defender - the Matrix: just in case he gets by him and tries to get to the rim.

Basically what you've just described is illegal defense, which the referees are not calling.

Make him a jump shooter: his jumper is erratic and since he can't get a clean look like he's used to, he's building condominiums with his premium brickage. Zone his ass: because he has no midrange game. He hasn't progressed in 8 years and has no counter for what Dallas is doing to him.

Really? I believe he was 3rd in the entire NBA in midrange jump shooting this season. lol Funny how actual statistics don't seem to line up with your misguided opinions.

I've seen Kobe outscore Dallas by himself through 3 qtrs (62-61), but they are locking LBJ down.

When was that? 5 years ago in the regular season?

His supporting cast >> Kobe's.

Name a player on his NBA finals roster that is better than Lamar Odom.

Kobe? After the 2004 season, Malone, GP, Shaq, Fisher, Fox, and ever other decent veteran bolted leaving Kobe by his lonesome. Despite it all they were one rebound away from upsetting the heavily favored Suns that year. Maybe you are the one trolling.

LMAO @ comparing a first round exit to an NBA finals appearance. I refuse to believe you're an actual poster.

Cleveland didn't just lose LBJ. They loss Varejo, Big Z, and suffered a ton of injuries to many of their key players. Not saying LBJ wasn't a big loss, but it wasn't the only one. Show me any team that loses as much players they have due to free agency, trades, or injury, and I'll guarantee you they will be a lottery team.

Ok, in that case, just answer this question: do you think Kobe Bryant could have led the same Cavaliers to back-to-back best records in the NBA? (the question is actually rhetorical, don't bother answering it.)