your Avatar irritates me ... when I flip through the pages of a thread I always ask myself: did I already post here? Then I see it was youOh and In your trade, I would sweeten the deal for Orlando by releasing Turkey-glue so Orlando could resign him for less 30 days later. Turk blew dogs for quarters when he was with the Spurs. Just not the right system for him. It would also free up money for Spurs to sign a role player if available in the market. Cmon orlando Pull the trigger!
Why, because Blair would be going the other way? I think most fans would be pleased with this trade. It makes sense on a lot of levels.Could you imagine the ST meltdown if your hunch is correct?
The only way I could see the Bobcats turning it down is if they feel like they're not getting one real significant piece back. If it takes it to close the deal, the Spurs could throw in their 1st (29th) for the Bobcats 2nd (39th).
You don't give up Blair and Anderson for Tyrus. Sorry.
Sorry, but i didnt have time to go through everyone's avatars before I picked mine. I will look for another one soon.your Avatar irritates me ... when I flip through the pages of a thread I always ask myself: did I already post here? Then I see it was you
I don't think Jordan would demand another pick (nor would I give it to him), seeing as he'd already be getting a former 1st rounder in Anderson, plus an early 2nd rounder (in Blair) both of whom are locked up for another 2+ years on cheap contracts, while getting Thomas' lengthy contract off his books.
Thomas has his issues and he'll never be a star, but he's essentially a young McDyess (not as good of a scorer as McDyess was though). It's clear from their comments that that's what they'd like at power forward. There aren't many players in the league with this type of package and most of the other ones aren't attainable, given what the Spurs have to offer.
Blair and Anderson are solid young assets, but let's face it, at their peaks, Blair will probably be no better than a 3rd big/7th man and Anderson will probably be no better than a 3rd wing/8th man. Plus, if they added Thomas, Blair wouldn't play anyway.
TJastal, they may not. A former 1st rounder and early 2nd rounder; that's irrelevant. Thomas is a former 4th overall pick. Once a player is a couple of years removed from being drafted, where they were drafted no longer matters. Does anyone think Brown and Milicic have high trade value, because they were former 1st and 2nd overall picks? No.
I'm sure the bucks are just dying to get Jefferson back with an even more ty contract and ship out there just blossoming soon-to-be-all-star center, cool story bro.
do spurs really need another big.....spurs already have splitter and blair...than the spurs are gonna add ryan richards to the mix.....the problem is pop giving bonner more mins than there bigs....I say if pop give splitter and blair more mins the spurs will be fine...I would trade bonner and rj for a decent sf
agree but I say spurs keep parker....
agree....parker is not going to be traded
this....
Keep Parker for what? So the team can be mediocre instead of rebuilding with a chance at a franchise rookie?
Well your not their is no point of keeping a medicore PG who had 1 good year.
He will be traded eventually at least while he still has value.
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Tyrus Thomas is a marginal talent and you don't give up two guys that look to have at least as much talent + even more upside for a guy like him.
His contract is worse then RJ's.
He's better than a marginal talent. But you're missing the point. This is less about talent and more about fit. Thomas and Blair, in terms of sheer production, are similar. But Thomas shoots better from mid range, is 6-9 (I don't buy his 6-10 listing), freakishly athletic and an excellent shot blocker. I'd prefer if he was making $5-6 million a season, were less volatile and had more strength, but that's about as close to a young McDyess as this team can realistically come.
Anderson is going to be hard pressed to crack the rotation, unless the Spurs go to the rare ten man rotation or Neal falls off the face of the earth.
Pop has talked about getting back to being a top 5-7 defensive team. It's easy to say "why not trade Jefferson and Bonner?", but there's a good chance neither get's traded and I can't see Splitter, Hill or Neal being traded either. So that leaves starting four and tenth man as the spots that can be upgraded defensively (Splitter will already upgrade fourth big). This trade would accomplish that. Anderson can be replaced either internally, with Green/Butler or via the draft, if Honeycutt falls to 29.
Or they can overvalue their team, nitpick every last attainable player who could make them better, come back with virtually the same team, win their usual 50+ regular season games and be bounced in the 1st round again.
Even fit he's not that great. I'd take him, but I don't think he helps enough to give up two better talents for. Spurs will need talent here in the next few years and unless there is some miracle trade plus luck, Spurs aren't contending anyways. So keep the young talent.
Maybe so, but he's about the best they can realistically do, without surrendering one of the big three, as well as Splitter, Hill and Neal (which I suspect is their intent).
Blair and Anderson may be more skilled, but Thomas is the best asset of the three, so long as his contract is digestible (I've already detailed why it should be for the Spurs).
They wouldn't really be losing young talent, in terms of quan y. Thomas would replace Blair and whoever they draft at 29 would replace Anderson. Quan y isn't their issue, though and Blair and Anderson are replaceable parts.
They may not be contending, but that's seemingly still their intent. I look at Thomas as a guy who could be a bridge, in the sense that he could help them now, while being a key piece in the future. We know he's not a star and he's overpaid, but it's San Antonio. Unless they plummet down to the bottom and hit the jackpot the next time a surefire superstar big is in the draft, fluke out like the Lakers did with Bynum, or drastically overpay for someone like Boozer in free agency, they're not getting anything resembling a star big.
I think you are undervaluing James Anderson. When he was healthy, he played very well on both ends. You are also overrating Tyrus IMO. I don't see him as any better fit overall.
I like a lot about Anderson, but you've got to give something to get something. I see his upside as that of a third wing and with how this team is currently constructed, I fail to see how he plays much.
I'm not a big Thomas fan, but like I said, he's about as good a McDyess replacement as this team can realistically do (it's clear from their comments in recent weeks that they'd like a similar four). He can be overpowered in the post in certain match-ups and he's not the mid range shooter McDyess is, but by and large, he's not a liability when it comes to shooting, defending or rebounding, unlike Blair, Splitter and Bonner. Add that to his elite athleticism and shot blocking and I fail to see how he's not a better fit.
This. Spur fans desperate for youth and athleticism(understandable), even if said athlete is a knucklehead like Thomas. Thomas might eventually turn out to be a player, but he needs to grow up a bit first.
+1
Danny Green also showed upside in what would be an almost identical role to Anderson, so its not like the spurs would be up shi!t creek without a paddle.
Off the bench last year, in 21 minutes a game Thomas put up 10pt/6reb/2blk, which are solid numbers. Extrapolated out to 30 as a starter your looking at 14/9/3 which is near double double territory. And he is a solid defender who can guard a variety of players in this league which is where his real value comes into play IMO.
Plus he brings an defensive at ude that would be infectious to the rest of the team IMO. The bulls IMO really miss that from a few years ago when he was with them, now being stuck with Boozer, a guy who plays almost no defense. Does that sound familiar? Dejuan Blair is our Boozer, and Bonner is Blair's red headed stepchild when it comes to defense.
Thomas brings a whole new at ude of defense first, and takes pride in patrolling the paint, which would really help Tim Duncan's knees from having to do that job all by his lonesome once again. To top it off he has a knockdown midrange jumper he can pretty much get with very little spacing (less than McDyess needs even). Which is a good solid option to have that Blair didn't/doesn't provide at all in the starting lineup.
The one worry I have with Thomas is the learning curve, and Pop with his increasingly limited patience. Who knows what Pop would do. His coaching is becoming increasingly erratic and he's only going to get worse this next season.
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