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35% of black surgeons cannot read or write.
Long live our media masters.
35% of black surgeons cannot read or write.
Do you agree or disagree that the quota system may have the intended effect of allowing greater number of minorities to rise above the cycle of poverty? (Not talking about the morality of quota systems, just about their effectiveness.)
I like the lasagna in a can. I think I always will.
I think it would be safe to assume some have. I still would argue the harm outweighs the good though.
Um, do you read your own posts?
Can you think of a more equitable way to go about this? For instance, you've already stated that this is due to the culture of where they grow up, so it's not necessarily the individual's fault. (Or at the least, they are at a disadvantage.)
Would you agree with quota systems not for race, but for those who grew up in less-financially stable areas?
What ever the working solution is, it has to be done at the root level. To banage it at the cost of other is morally wrong.
No quota systems. Help the individuals who need it, but not at the expense of others. Any slots allocated need to be done without bias.
Suppose that school funding is one step toward a solution. If we increase funding to public schools in areas of high black, er, low income populations, aren't we doing that at the expense of others?
They've done that here in Oregon with little to no success. The problems are instilled in our youth before they are in school.
I won't pretend to have a solution, but I know it's not by taking away from others. It's just causing resentment to continue.
Talking about Oregon... Good read and some actual figures that paint the picture why leveling the playing field is key:
http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/in...ppling_or.html
Warning, just an oped piece.
Newsflash. Any targeted "help" comes at the expense of others. It's a short term expense for a long term gain. This is not rocket surgery.
So, admittedly, I've gotten somewhat lost in the fog of Cobra's "logic." Has there, at any point in all of this, been an example of a specific quota system currently in place? Or evidence provided of how Affirmative Action has changed over time to allow for/encourage quota systems?
Of course not.
Okay. Just wanted to make sure I hadn't missed something.
They had that here in tx and the richers sued
Different scenario. It was a simple funding grab with no targeting/performance metrics whatsoever.
I think WC's pissed off in general about quotas and considers that authoritative.
btw, I'm sure there's some remark by WC elsewhere on ST that settles it for all time. Unfortunately WC does not remember it and you're apparently too lazy to find it yourself.
Please catch up.
If I ever had enough motivation, I might dig up WC's 10 best hypocritical/contradictory posts.
Problem is that as soon as I might come up with 10, there might be 3-4 new and better ones that day that would make the list instantly obsolete.
Isn't it a bit strange to enslave a group of people for hundreds of years, then allow them equal rights and assume that all is fair 30/40 years later? Don't you think the decades of oppression and inequality might have caused conditions that can't be cured in 30/40 years of equal rights?
Let me pose a hypothetical for you. Say a great deal of business owners are racist in a certain area. A great number of minorities are either denied jobs outright, or are making reduced wages compared to white counterparts.
Given this situation, what actions can the minority community undertake to remedy their situation? I only see four options.
1) Create their own business.
Obviously, this is not a perfect solution. Even if they create a business, the racists who own companies may not work with them, or force them to buy supplies at elevated rates.
2) Take it to the courts.
This has been tried with limited success in our time. However, it sets a precedent whereby owners don't have full control over who they hire, which I doubt you'd support.
3) Take it to the legislature.
This would most likely result in the "quota" system as defined above.
4) Relocate.
People can move from the states they are in, but that does nothing to remedy the actual injustice, nor is it a feasible solution for poorer families.
Do you see an option I don't?
Notice that the article acknowledges the poor students are not starting on a level playing field. It has to be leveled in their communities. They start at a disadvantage in the schools and end that way too.This is the parents responsibility. How is society suppose to contend with poorly raised children.Poor. Parents poor. Relatives poor. Fragmented family structure. Chaotic unstructured home life. Little or no assistance with school work. Little or no support and encouragement. Witness to consistent drama (not just on TV). Traumatic experiences. Fear and confusion. Lack of trust. Desire to escape. Feelings of despair, hopelessness.
If done at the root level of the problem, I agree. Otherwise it's just an endless cycle. problem is, we are not fixing the root problems.
The problem is the mindset of too many blacks. They limit themselves by blaming the whites for crimes of our ancestors. It's easier to say it's our fault than standing up on their own two feet and attempt to succeed.
They need to live for the present and future. Not the past. As long as they live in the past, they will remain poor.
LOL...
I just pointed out the problem is living in the past, and you bring this up.
These problems of the past are fixed. Move on.
WC you do realize that you're a moron right?
Do you have any idea what black people have been through? I'm not talking white washed history, actually thought about how screwed up your life would be in the same situation. Yeah it's better now, but the crap done in the past is just pure evil. To deny that problem still exist for a large pat from the racism and evil from white people is just plain stupid.
Take any group of white kids, kidnap them from their parents young, don't educate them, overwork them and kill off the mentally strong ones generation after generation and tell me what you'll get. Do you think an affirmative action "financial aid package" for 20k will make it all better?
Give me a break. It's the parents fault? Yeah, you know why, the parents have been affected by racist white people, generation after generation.
Same story with Latinos, and Native Americans in this country. Latinos who fought with Texans and Americans against mexico where only driven off their promised land in racial prejudice. Of course they were invited back to work in the fields for pennies, what a deal.
Native Americans can't even develop on their reservations because the racist white man legacy BIA won't let them do anything outside of a casino.
Meanwhile, redneck trash in TX and across the country are profiting off mineral rights from stolen native american land and ensuring their kids never have to pull themselves up from their bootstraps. That money keeps circling in a nice nepotism network.
Of course white kids have several disadvantages too, I am an orphaned white child, but even I recognize I have it better. And If it wasn't for scary "socialist" programs I'd be cutting your neck rather than saving this countries neck.
But hey, you know better since you spend all day in internet forums.
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