Lebron's going to lose not one Finals, not two, not three, not four, not five....

[ducks]

not unless they fix their holes

right now the heat have no chemsitry
you can not buy chemsistry

[TJastal]

James will win les. It was a great move putting these 3 together because they will win les in Miami. They came 2 wins away in their first year. Watch out in the future. Next year they will be back and win it.

After this debacle this team as currently constructed is for the most part finished. Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see 1 of the 3 gone by next year (I'm betting it will be Lebron). With his contract right now being on the lower scale he is defenitely tradeable and I"m betting that's exactly what the heat ownership will do before he loses his athleticism & becomes washed up and it's too late. Wade's not gettin' any younger, either, and it pretty clear Wade is the centerpiece to build around, not LeRobin.

[rascal]

not unless they fix their holes

right now the heat have no chemsitry
you can not buy chemsistry

They are not far off at all. They did well in their first yr. with the team they had to throw together. They are much closer than the Spurs.

[rascal]

After this debacle this team as currently constructed is for the most part finished. Wouldn't surprise me in the least to see 1 of the 3 gone by next year (I'm betting it will be Lebron). With his contract right now being on the lower scale he is defenitely tradeable and I"m betting that's exactly what the heat ownership will do before he loses his athleticism & becomes washed up and it's too late. Wade's not gettin' any younger, either, and it pretty clear Wade is the centerpiece to build around, not LeRobin.

It won't be Lebron. LeBron is still young and a long way from finished up.
There is too much over exaggeration here.

They will fill in some different pieces and come back stong again next year.

[ducks]

depends on the new cba
heat have 3 max contracts almost

[TJastal]

It won't be Lebron. LeBron is still young and a long way from finished up.
There is too much over exaggeration here.

They will fill in some different pieces and come back stong again next year.

He's at his peak right now and look at how much fail is in his game. He hasn't developed any post up game, he has no finesse around the basket, no midrange, and he's a massive choker to boot. When his athleticism starts to decline in the next year or so his game is going to fall off a cliff.

[ducks]

They are not far off at all. They did well in their first yr. with the team they had to throw together. They are much closer than the Spurs.

they are closer then the spurs right now

but lossing is going to cause problems in miama

winning fixes things rember when heat were 8-8
players and coaches were not happy

something is going to slip and someone is going to blame someone for their reason they lost


heat need a big
heat need more plays drawn for them quit the iso
heat need to trust each other and have ball movement

[sandman]

He's at his peak right now and look at how much fail is in his game. He hasn't developed any post up game, he has no finesse around the basket, no midrange, and he's a massive choker to boot. When his athleticism starts to decline in the next year or so his game is going to fall off a cliff.

Yes, players who have a game predicated on athleticism tend to fall off quicker. I'm not sure that expecting a dropoff in athleticism at 27 though is a realistic analysis of the situation.

As far as his massive choking goes, the Mavs get some credit for that as well. He was playing extremely well coming into the Finals. And in 2007, he single-handedly took the Cavs through the Eastern Conference with a bunch of scrubs, almost averaging a triple double in the playoffs, only to face a well disciplined defensive minded Spurs team. There is not one other starter from that 2007 Cavs team that is having any impact in the NBA today four years later.

Not defending the man, because I personally don't like him, but you make a 2-time MVP, scoring champion, 7-time All NBA and 3-time All NBA Defensive First Team player out to be the second coming of Alfrederick Hughes. As if he is all smoke and mirrors to be exposed at any moment.

It's a fairly decent list of Hofers in the last 20 years that never won a le. At 26, I'm thinking that the opportunity to prove himself has not passed him by. No matter how badly some may want that to happen.

[GSH]

At 26, I'm thinking that the opportunity to prove himself has not passed him by. No matter how badly some may want that to happen.

Right now, all I care about is that THIS opportunity to prove himself has passed him by. Just take it one failure at a time, and smell the roses along the way.

[sandman]

Right now, all I care about is that THIS opportunity to prove himself has passed him by. Just take it one failure at a time, and smell the roses along the way.

Sure, I'm not unhappy about him losing either. I was more responding to the tone of the poster. They clearly have a lack of objectivity on his abilities and accomplishments in the league because they don't like him. Jordan took 8 years to win it, Hakeem and DRob took 10 years to win it, Shaq took 8 years to win it. At this point in his career, LBJ is hardly a proven loser that will never win. But if he goes the way of Barkley or Malone, I won't cry.

[ducks]

what a man you will not cry

[GSH]

On Monday, the Mavericks flew home to Dallas, where Stevenson was spotted wearing a Mavericks blue and white t-shirt with lettering that read: "Hey LeBron! How's my Dirk taste?"

[NewJerSpur]

On Monday, the Mavericks flew home to Dallas, where Stevenson was spotted wearing a Mavericks blue and white t-shirt with lettering that read: "Hey LeBron! How's my Dirk taste?"

At this stage with him failing miserably on the biggest stage, LeBron will have to do 2 things to have a shot at repairing his legacy:

1) He's going to have to live up to the multiple les he proclaimed the Heat would secure, not necessarily 8 (which was ridiculous to put out there in the 1st place, but not unexpected given the source) but more than 3 or 4 before the team fractures/splits up and before his physical play starts to catch up to him with age/wear-and-tear which will spring up on him sooner than he even knows with the speed at which he normally plays and the contact he draws from game to game.

2) He's not going to be able to simply ride Wade/Bosh's coattails to the multiple les in his proclamation, dude is going to have to have a major part in those runs even with the team being lead by another player who can actually play better than him at the same position.

This is the path he's chosen with his "Decision", and one thing is for sure: he can't complain about a lack of help moving forward with what Wade and Bosh left out there.

In the meantime, teams around the Heat will continue to improve and the path to another crack at the is likely to become more difficult than it was this season.

[GSH]

At this stage with him failing miserably on the biggest stage, LeBron will have to do 2 things to have a shot at repairing his legacy:

I saw an article today - forget who it was, but a credible commentator - that said the problem was people comparing LeBron to MJ, when he's really Scottie Pippen. It said that Pippen was happier passing the ball, and mentioned that Phil Jackson used to call Pippen a "sometimes shooter". It wasn't a perfect analogy, but there were some valid points. James has proven that he isn't a dependable take-over-the-game scoring guy. It's kind of hard to be the best player in the universe without that.

Regardless of whether he ever wins a le, LeBron isn't going to repair his legacy as long as the legacy is supposed to be the second Michael Jordan. For all of his skills, he's already lost that battle. The best player in the universe, surrounded with all the talent he could ask for, and he couldn't take over a game. Without Dwayne Wade, they Heat would have gotten swept. And by that I mean that even with someone pretty damn good in Wade's place, it would have been a blowout. Wade did what LeBron was supposed to be able to do, but couldn't.

Maybe all the LeBron zombies will start to appreciate just how good MJ really was.

[NewJerSpur]

I saw an article today - forget who it was, but a credible commentator - that said the problem was people comparing LeBron to MJ, when he's really Scottie Pippen. It said that Pippen was happier passing the ball, and mentioned that Phil Jackson used to call Pippen a "sometimes shooter". It wasn't a perfect analogy, but there were some valid points. James has proven that he isn't a dependable take-over-the-game scoring guy. It's kind of hard to be the best player in the universe without that.

Regardless of whether he ever wins a le, LeBron isn't going to repair his legacy as long as the legacy is supposed to be the second Michael Jordan. For all of his skills, he's already lost that battle. The best player in the universe, surrounded with all the talent he could ask for, and he couldn't take over a game. Without Dwayne Wade, they Heat would have gotten swept. And by that I mean that even with someone pretty damn good in Wade's place, it would have been a blowout. Wade did what LeBron was supposed to be able to do, but couldn't.

Maybe all the LeBron zombies will start to appreciate just how good MJ really was.

Good points....add to that that his all-world defense got torched by JET (perimeter) and Marion (perimeter AND in the post) when it counted most and you have a lasting ugly image.

[dbreiden83080]

He's gonna win rings.. The guy works very hard and is just too talented. It's only a matter of time..

[ducks]

He's gonna win rings.. The guy works very hard and is just too talented. It's only a matter of time..

works hard?

really I know kobe gets to the gym early
ray allen
there is no talk ever of james getting there earlier

[dbreiden83080]

works hard?

really I know kobe gets to the gym early
ray allen
there is no talk ever of james getting there earlier

And you're letting them into the gym..

Can i make an appointment?

[ducks]

can you drive?

[dbreiden83080]

can you drive?

Carpool.. I got Shotgun..

[GSH]

And you're letting them into the gym..

Can i make an appointment?

Kobe is known for putting in extra time. LeBron hasn't earned that rep, as far as I can tell. Obviously no one here is in the gym with him. I know LeBron talks about his own work ethic. I don't hear his teammates going on about it.

When Kobe was trying to improve his shooting, he shot until he MADE 2,000 shots per day - every day. When LeBron was trying to improve his shooting, he tried to make 400 shots per day, most days. Those numbers are credibly do ented. LeBron's trainer was the one who said 400 shots per day. LeBron's description was something like "however many shots I get up, that's how many I get up." Kobe shot until he made 2,000 shots every day.

Besides - if you add up all the hours LeBron spends shooting commercials, modeling for video games, and making babies how could he have time for extended workouts? Seriously though, listen to how Kevin Durant's teammates (for instance) talk about his work ethic. Nobody says that about LeBron. I never heard anything about LeBron's work ethic that wasn't basically an article scripted by his agent.

[dbreiden83080]

Kobe is known for putting in extra time. LeBron hasn't earned that rep, as far as I can tell. Obviously no one here is in the gym with him. I know LeBron talks about his own work ethic. I don't hear his teammates going on about it.

When Kobe was trying to improve his shooting, he shot until he MADE 2,000 shots per day - every day. When LeBron was trying to improve his shooting, he tried to make 400 shots per day, most days. Those numbers are credibly do ented. LeBron's trainer was the one who said 400 shots per day. LeBron's description was something like "however many shots I get up, that's how many I get up." Kobe shot until he made 2,000 shots every day.

Besides - if you add up all the hours LeBron spends shooting commercials, modeling for video games, and making babies how could he have time for extended workouts? Seriously though, listen to how Kevin Durant's teammates (for instance) talk about his work ethic. Nobody says that about LeBron. I never heard anything about LeBron's work ethic that wasn't basically an article scripted by his agent.

Jesus Christ.. Every word of this is dipped in rampant spec and pure hatred.. I hate to tell you this

the odds of Lebron not winning les is very very low. He is the best player in the in league on a stacked team.. Hard worker or not...

[ducks]

lakers got gp,mailman,kobe and did not in a le

[dbreiden83080]

lakers got gp,mailman,kobe and did not in a le

For 1 year..

And the Mail-Man was out of business..

[NewJerSpur]

Heat beat up on a young Sixers team with a new coaching staff, a banged up Celtics team with chemistry issues and a 1-man offense in Chicago and still couldn't ring despite finishing each series in 5 games, not to mention the Mavs were poised to choke away another shot at a ring until Miami did the honors 1st.

Be interesting to see how the rest of the league regroups and what they have to say in the matter. I will say I don't think I've ever seen travelling called so much in one series on LeBron....it was refreshing to say the least.