When you responded to a question that specifically asks how he is a choker. On the other hand, you'll have a hard time showing where I said or even implied he was a demigod.
But you have no problem implying what others were saying, right Manny? I wasn't referring to the choking question, just the first statement in that post. Here, it's as plain as day to see:
Notice how my first sentence starts off almost exactly like the bolded statement in your post?
Robinson couldn't lead a team to the promise land like Dirty did....so this is an insult to Dirk.
Better comparison for the overrated clown Robinson woud be Shawn Kemp
How much you wanna bet if I check his regular season stats, those would turn out to be higher than his playoff ones?
What does that tell you?
Nowitzki did choke a bit there at the end, he was almost automatic during the whole playoffs/season and during the finals he kept on missing easy looks to the tune of 41%, if his teammates wouldn't have stepped up he would be getting a lot of heat (non intended) right now.
So statistics alone tell you if a player is a choker?
This thread is led "Dirk or David Robinson?" Dirk and David both needed help to win a championship. They had similar winning percentages (Dirk .556 and David .560) They played against each other for 5 seasons. Dirk needed 13 seasons to win his first le, so let's not get carried away. Dirk is an incredible offensive player. Although he never scored 100 points like David did, he might be able to do so...if given the right situation like David was given. Dirk's shortfall compared with David is at the other end of the court. David was dominant.
This tread isn't about "Olajuwon or David?". It isn't about "Shaq or David?".
That David was the only reason those Spurs teams sniffed the playoffs and once the playoffs started, teams started collapsing and focusing most of their defensive attention to him. Dumbass.
This might be a great point...
...but then you follow it up with this. Robinson = Kemp? C'mon, man.
Dirk makes the offense so much easier. The team can't score without Dirk basically. Dirk is better.
5 pages . . . unbelievable.
I believe it.
8 wouldn't suprise me. 10 would push it.
When David got hurt, the Spurs won the lottery to get Tim Duncan.
Not a very convincing point, honestly. Throw some facts in there...such as these averages/game from the 1993-94 season during David's prime:
PTS REB AST BLK STL FG%
29.8 10.7 4.8 3.3 1.7 .507
or
these averages/game from the 1991-92 season where David became only the 3rd player in NBA history to finish in the Top 10 in 5 different categories:
PTS REB AST BLK STL FG%
23.2 12.2 2.7 4.5 2.3 .551
(8th) (4th) . (1st)(5th) (6th)
Numbers don't always tell the whole story. Also to remember that all teams scored more back in the early 90's. Defense was not as intense. Zones weren't allowed. Some players make a bigger impact by doing less. I think Dirk is a perfect example of a player that alters how a team can guard Dallas which makes it so much easier for everyone. Dallas usually has one of the top offensive teams for years now proves. And we've seen how bad they are when Dirk isn't playing.
The Spurs averaged 100.0 ppg and held opponents to 94.8 ppg in 1993-94 when David won the NBA scoring le.
What did Dallas average this year? Answer 100.24 ppg, Opponents 96.01 ppg.
Actually defenses were allowed to play more physical on the perimeter in the 90s.
Dallas won a championship with Dirk being the best player. David Robinson couldn't win the championship as being the best player. The difference might be that Dirk is more reliable in the clutch and like I said. Defenses key on him so much that everyone else has open looks. Dirk just does a lot of things that are great for winning. Yes David Robinson is also a great player but he had some shortcomings. For all the praise on great defense, he sure struggled against Olajuwon. Dirk has more range than Robinson. He can stretch out to the 3 point line. That versatility makes it that much more of a nightmare to guard and impossible to find a solution for. With Rodman on his team, you think the Spurs would be a championship quality team. They fell short.
You dont go 16-5 through the Playoffs with playing 4on5 defense....
Mavsfan1000, At least now you are trying to make a decent argument. I'll give you a pass on your mistakes in your previous argument from the shallow pool.
It finally clicked for Dirk in his 13th season after a lot of playoff failures. Credit to Dirk. Having watched David for virtually every game of his career, David didn't always struggle versus Olajuwon, just like Dirk didn't always struggle versus Andres Biedrins going 2-13 and 8 points in the important game 6 close-out versus Golden State three years ago.
What would you say was Robinson's most impressive playoff performance before Duncan? The season you mentioned, 93-94, he came up woefully short against Utah, compared to his regular season averages. To what do you attribute that?
In the 94 playoffs, David did fine. In the final game he went for 27 points and Rodman got 20 rebounds but it's a sad testimony to the Spurs' coaching and guard play and props to Utah. I think we all know that it takes the right mix of players around the superstars to win a le. David got his right mix and won 2 les. It took Dirk 12 years to get the right mix to win his first.
I have to head out for something I've got planned this evening so I'll come back and post my memory of most impressive playoff performance.
Considering Dirk led a team to a le and Robinson didn't, why would a Robinson supporter word it like that?
Depends on the team philosophy. Can't go wrong either way. Dirk is more clutch tbh.
David Robinson.
No offence to Dirk though he's an all time great baller. David Robinson in his prime was amazing to watch. 7'1" with biceps on top of biceps, ran the floor like a guard, score inside and outside, block shots at a rediculous rate and played amazing overall defense.
Offensively its a wash. Dirk is unguardable and can shoot from anywhere no matter who guards him. David was unguardable in his prime to (unfortunately had to play against hakeem) so offensively its pretty even with perhaps dirk coming out on top.
The difference is in rebounding and defense (one on one and team d) david was a much better rebounder and one of the best defenders we've ever seen. Much much much better on D then Dirk. One of the greatest defensive C's ever.
David Robinson far greater overall then Dirk
Man it'd be fun to watch prime David and prime Dirk go head to head!!!!!
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