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The one thing that continues to dog Biyombo are the question marks NBA teams have about his age. Recently converted NBA draft analyst David Aldridge wrote that an NBA GM he spoke with said he had heard rumors that Biyombo was “anywhere from 23 to 26.”
Our research has revealed some slightly different information. Coaches who have worked with Biyombo earlier in his career while he was still in Congo think he's “no older than 20 at most,” while Biyombo's agent, Igor Crespo, has evidence that proves Biyombo is even younger.
Crespo says he took Biyombo to a specialist to conduct a bone age study immediately upon his arrival in Spain (Biyombo was reportedly 16). The study, as explained here involves taking x-rays of an adolescent's wrist and hand to see if his growth plates are still open. Because the cartilage in Biyombo's hand hadn't fused at that point, the specialist came to the conclusion that he could be 16 or 17 at most, but not 18, when growth plates are expected to be closed.
This obviously rules out the possibility of Biyombo being five to eight years older than he's listed, as the wild speculation we've seen recently on the Internet indicates. Crespo says he will willingly share these x-rays with any NBA team that requests them. One team we spoke with has already begun to evaluate the x-rays.
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/article/...#ixzz1JsxsHFRn
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Here he is Adam
Biyombo had a workout in Italy this week. It didn't go too well. http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...ough-workouts/
One comment that stood out in the article: …As one GM summed it up, “Bismack Biyombo played one-against-none today … and he lost.”
I expect that they will manage his exposure between now and the draft, to keep him from further hurting his chances. Depending on who you believe right now, he might got in the first 10 positions, or he might drop to the second round.
Right now, he is all about defense. It woudn't suck to have a defensive specialist, but the NBA game would be a big step up for him. As for the age thing, there's no way of even guessing how old he is. But apparently not many are buying that he is less than 21-22.
Personally I think he's too big of a big risk, even at the 29 pick, for the Spurs. I just don't see how the Spurs can take a flyer on a guy who really hasn't been tested against higher-caliber opponents. For a team loaded with young talent, he's probably worth a shot.
Last edited by GSH; 06-15-2011 at 02:01 PM.
, dont think so...Sounds like a tx 2 step prediction
You never know how much of the pre-draft talk is misdirection, but that works both ways. Teams say they aren't interested because they really are. But they also hype guys they don't really want.
Apparently the workout was pretty bad, Yavozerb. It's a weak draft overall, I think, so someone probably will take a shot on him in the first round. But he sure didn't help his chances in Italy. There's no doubt now that they would be drafting a defense-only prospect. There are a limited number of teams that I see who even might spend a picker higher than 20 on him. Not a lot of room between there and the second round. If he goes in the top 15, I'll make sure and put the little jackass emote on my posts for a couple of days.It could happen, but I think that workout will slow things down for him.
So do you think the Spurs would take him at 29, regardless of who else could be reasonably on the board?
Even before that workout I believe most teams already knew Biyombo lacked any offensive skills and the workout just confirmed that. Biyombo became a house hold name for this draft based on the defensive end of the floor only, this workout did not diminish this part of his game what so ever. In my opinion some lottery team will still draft him but if he does drop, the lowest he would drop is 23 to the rockets. Trying to guess what the front office would do is pretty miserable but I believe if was still there I have to believe they would take him.You never know how much of the pre-draft talk is misdirection, but that works both ways. Teams say they aren't interested because they really are. But they also hype guys they don't really want.
Apparently the workout was pretty bad, Yavozerb. It's a weak draft overall, I think, so someone probably will take a shot on him in the first round. But he sure didn't help his chances in Italy. There's no doubt now that they would be drafting a defense-only prospect. There are a limited number of teams that I see who even might spend a picker higher than 20 on him. Not a lot of room between there and the second round. If he goes in the top 15, I'll make sure and put the little jackass emote on my posts for a couple of days.
So do you think the Spurs would take him at 29, regardless of who else could be reasonably on the board?
BTW - I don't know who the you are, or what you're laughing at. But just for laughs, you did know that Biyombo is only 6'8" without shoes, right? And that he only spent part of the year in division 1 ball? And you knew that he has a buyout with his Spanish team of 1M Euro, right? And there's a new CBA coming, and nobody knows what it will look like?
Regardless of what articles you read about him on the Internet, drafting a 6'8", defense-only, international player with limited experience, who is still under contract in Spain, and has a $1.4M buyout? Not exactly a slam dunk for most teams. You might even say that most teams with a lottery pick would really have to think twice about it.
Edit: And before anyobdy flames, the CBA is important because nobody knows what the rookie scale will look like. And that's important because a team can only contribute $500K to a buyout. And an extra $1M is a big chunk of change for a young kid from the Congo. If the rookie scale is low enough, and he's lower in the first round, he might think about staying in Spain one more year. Just saying it's one more unknown for a team to draft him.
Last edited by GSH; 06-15-2011 at 03:31 PM.
Wow... so you think he's going to be an immediate impact player here?
Just curious, who in the first 6 do you think would pick him? Do you really see him going top 3? If not, it's Cleveland, Toronto, and Washington in 4,5,and 6. And I don't see Cleveland taking a risk. They need to settle things down up there right now. That leaves Washington and Toronto.
Well if he does go that high, I guess the buyout won't be as big of a factor. He'll pay it and be here next year. And a weak draft is probably a good time to take a flyer. But damn... if he gets drafted that high and turns out to be another Mouhamed Sene, somebody's head is going to roll.
Most of your statements are true in normal NBA drafts, but this season there are only 2 players who are expected to make instant impacts with there team, thus the labeling of a "weak draft".
He won't get past GS at 11 and most likely will go higher, he can already contribute on the defensive end and has plenty of potential on the other end.
Maybe you guys are right. I saw a mock draft on NBA .com this evening that had him going to the Pistons at #8. So I guess they think (like most of you) that no one will be bothered by it. I still think it was dumb of his agent to put him into a workout that did nothing but show his weaknesses, even if the teams already knew what they were. It can't help, and it can only hurt. That's just not smart.
The comment about Detroit picking him is worth noting, though:
The closer the draft gets, the more some teams believe Joe Dumars needs the safe pick with better odds on a nice return with a new owner and a new coach. Biyombo is definitely not a safe-pick guy,but he projects as a game changer more than anyone still on the board.
That's exactly what I was saying about Cleveland. They need safe picks and they have 2 of the first 6 slots. Utah has 2 of the lottery picks, and I don't see them taking any chances either, with the changes that have taken place there. Charlotte made some bizarre trades last season, and I think they will be looking to save face with a more conventional pick. When I went down the list, I kept seeing teams that I think might pass for various reasons.
I just think he's better suited, and an easier pick, for some of the better teams further down the list. If that workout hurts him even a little bit, he could fall a lot further than some of you think. Maybe not far enough to reach the Spurs, but well out of the lottery. I guess we'll see soon enough.
Yeah, that's the kicker. There aren't as many really "safe" instant impact guys this year. But there are guys like Marcus Morris that will come off of someone's bench, and contribute on both ends, and not give GM's too much heartburn about picking them.
Last edited by GSH; 06-15-2011 at 11:51 PM.
Chill man I was laughing at the Texas 2 step comment not at you, and I would love if biyombo fell to us, but I just don't see 28 teams passing on him.
fwiw, David Locke (pbp for Jazz, does podcasts and radio) interviewed on tape a scout with 25+ years experience who basically said the Jazz should take Biyombo 3rd if the Jazz felt Favors could turn into a legit scorer (the scout didn't think he could).
Ben Wallace defense if he gets to his potential is worth a lot. He was an all-star and DPoY (fraudulent like all DPoY awards, but still) and was what, 32 or 33 when he signed a deal paying $15 million a year?
I read last night on ESPN.com that his stock is falling. This on the heels of last weekend's poor showing in Italy. I doubt he'll make it past the Pistons or Warriors.
It's a tempting idea and I concur, but I just don't think Pop wants players on his roster who cannot score the basketball - no matter how good of a defender they are.
He can't shoot if his life depended on it. Can't even hit the bunnies from 3 feet away. He could be the next coming of Dennis Rodman though. An incredible rebounder and defensive specialist but his offense could be so bad that he'd be a liability to have on the court. Still he'll at least be a role player for defense.
I'd love for the Spurs to trade up for this guy if it can be done cheaply. I wouldn't give up Blair, Anderson, nor Hill, but if they could do something like trade Dice's expiring for a small contract a team wants to dump and the pick to draft Biyomobo, I'd be all for it. Might as well swing for the fences in a weak draft.
I'm confident that this is exactly the type of player that the Spurs would draft, work on for years as a project, and then let go to another team in favor of keeping some 6'5" player with no upside or an old veteran with plenty of downside.
For all their skills--and luck--in drafting the Spurs simply can't take a player with potential and find a way to bring him along to be a useful asset.
Parker slid as much for his shrimp frame as anything; he looked like he was about 16 on draft day. Boston and Orlando both wanted point guards but decided to draft size. He would go top 10 now not because of changes in at udes towards European players, but because he'd be 19 instead of 18 and probably have a better filled out frame (the difference between his first and second years seemed pretty significant).
The rumor today is that the Knicks are interested, and would even consider trading up for him. That's why it's so difficult for me to get caught up in pre-draft rumors and hype. But when did D'Antoni give a damn about defense? The knicks already have a big who runs the floor, in Amare Stoudamire - so what would Biyombo do when the Knicks have the ball?
Anything is possible, I guess. But the idea of the Knicks trading up to get a defensive specialist who can't shoot the ball? I just can't see it. It seems a lot more likely that his agent is behind the rumor. Not that there's anything wrong with that - that's what agents do. But if the Knicks really do draft Biyombo, you can count this as one of the weakest drafts in history. Becaus I can't see D'Antoni passing on a competent scorer if one is available.
Yeah, if you believe Oden was just 20 when he got drafted raise your hand.
I don't know about Biyombo, but it seems like a lot of people are really insistent that he's older than he says. But as long as he really isn't a project, it shouldn't be that big of an issue. I don't see as many people wanting to stash a player who is already older.
If the NBA Scouts say that during his workout that Biyombo played one against none and lost, I'd have to say he is a project.
Sounds just like one of the guys the Rockets held the draft rights to a few years back. A monster physical beast but without any offensive skills.
Malick Badiane from Senegal. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malick_Badiane
For all we know Badiane is better than Biyombo. He has more experience, is taller and probably more athletic so if you're going to take a chance of a raw physical center, why not get Badiane?
This guy is horrible. If the Knicks want to trade up to get him, let 'em.
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