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There is. The le for this thread should be "Man is an idiot".
There is. The le for this thread should be "Man is an idiot".
Dont give him medical treatment. Problem solved.
I thought this part was funny:
the guy was calm, and "sat over there to wait for the police", but...
not to mention that he was stealing a dollar.The teller was so frightened that she had to be taken to the hospital to be checked out.
This is the part I found most disturbing
"Verone knew he needed help--and he didn't want to be a burden on his sister and brothers."
Last edited by jack sommerset; 06-21-2011 at 08:32 PM.
They should probably hire a new teller. In the event of a real bank robbery, she might have a heart attack.
And then the state becomes liable for denying care if he dies in prison?
Who's footing that bill?
Why? Provided he paid his taxes (and this guy strikes me as the kind that would), he's just getting the services he paid for, in exchange for temporarily losing his freedom. Now, we can agree or not whether that's a sound decision, but I don't see him being a freeloader.
Were I a judge, I would simply state that because he just gave a note to a teller, made no direct threats and sent a letter to a paper clearly stating his purpose was not to rob a bank, I would throw the case out...
Were I a judge...
As for the dude...
Good for him. Smart man. Glad he was able to find a way to get care.
True. The question is what do you deter him with from doing it again as soon as he leaves the court?
He was a convenience store clerk so he didn't pay income tax. Probably a safe bet any other taxes he paid didn't cover his share of all government services he used plus free healthcare.
do you think any of the millions of criminals in jail have paid their share of the healthcare they are receiving?
it's funny the only real federated healthcare is the jail system's and it's pretty decent that ppl want to be jailed for it.
my solution, outsource the jail system healthcare to a private health provider. Problem solved
If he had a job, produced an income and was exempted from paying taxes, you need to blame whoever passes the tax laws.
But the 'cover his share' is a strawman. That's just not how taxes work. I've never needed the services of a fireman in my entire life. Does that mean I'm exempt from paying for the service? You do that and all of a sudden there's no more fire departments. Or jails, or police stations, etc.
"only real federated healthcare is the jail system's and it's pretty decent that ppl want to be jailed for it."
The VA is a (vastly improved) govt health care system, too.
Last edited by boutons_deux; 06-22-2011 at 10:24 AM.
No it's not a strawman in the context of your position. You are the one making the claim that he paid for the services he received thru taxes.
I never made such claims. And you don't need to explain to me how taxes work since you were the one claiming this man paid for the services he has recieved. Feel free to continue to argue against your own position though.he's just getting the services he paid for
Last edited by SnakeBoy; 06-22-2011 at 11:16 AM.
I said that if he paid his taxes, he's just getting a service that he paid for. Which is completely correct. If your house catches fire, you expect the fire truck to arrive and put it out. And you should receive that service seeing that you're a tax-paying, law abiding citizen. If you set your house on fire on purpose, then the firemen will still go and you still won't get a bill.
If your contention is that because he's poor, he didn't contribute much or anything through taxes, then I think you're barking to the wrong tree. He didn't write the laws that potentially exempted him. At the end of the day he is paying a price for doing this, which is losing his freedom. How much value that should carry comparatively to economic values is certainly debatable.
this is what i dont get, why doesnt the govt allow him access his superannuation or 401k plan to pay for his medical, thats if he has any
That really wasn't my contention although it is likely true in his case, but again feel free to argue against your position that he is just getting services that he already paid for.
So your strawman was just a distraction... okay.
He doesn't even need that. There is plenty of help out there for those who need it both through the govt. and private. This guy didn't bother to take advantage of any of it and instead chose to be stupid. If your ever in his postion just call the hospital and ask for a social worker and they'll point you in the right direction.
This I agree with.
I knew you know how taxes work and I knew you wouldn't admit your statement was wrong. So yeah I just wanted to see you argue for and against you own position.
I'll admit when I make a wrong statement. I'll clarify it for you if you have a problem following it, or if it's not clear enough.
The difference here is that you know what I meant, you just didn't like/agree with it. Which is ok. You don't need to bring a strawman to tell me you don't agree.
Ok Darrin
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