Spurs fielding trade calls for Parker

[DPG21920]

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I can see how that was confusing. I said that I would only not be extremely pissed if the Spurs traded TP and RJ was involved + pick + young talent.

But I did the throw up because of an RJ lover now saying we need to dump RJ by giving up TP. That thought sickens me (if that is the reason).

[DPG21920]

So they can sign another Rasho Nesterovic? San Antonio the city sucks in the eyes of NBA players: no big endorsement opportunities, no good clubs, no beach, no ESPN kissing your ass all day. The draft is how the Spurs need to build, but not this one. If they really have a hard on for Valaciunas, think he's a future allstar, he slips to them. and they get Ed Davis then maybe it's a worthy gamble, but not to take Sacramento's C+ level talent and salary dump Jefferson.

I agree, I'm just saying that IF the Spurs move TP for whatever reason, they have to included RJ.

[MaNu4Tres]

If the options on the table are Parker for #5 or Hill for say #12-15, then no doubt in my mind TRADE HILL!

Not that Parker played well in the playoffs, he played like trash for half the series. So did Hill. But this is about [I]value/I]. Hill being moved to grab someone like Chris Singleton would be a godsend. I posted weeks ago about how I would love them to move Hill for Singleton and then reach for Mack at the end of the first to be a decent career back-up point guard.

Utah at 12 might like Hill, as well as Indiana at 15 for hometown reasons. Utah especially could want him not just for point, but also at the two as they were stuck playing Raja Bell's corpse last season. AK will be gone, slide Heyward to 3, and play Hill at two. Maybe if Utah goes big at 3 and gets robbed of Jimmer, they'd be open to it.
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Agreed on all points

Hill to Utah or Indiana for the 12th or 15th pick would be a godsend indeed. (Not a big fan of Chris Singleton though)

[DPG21920]

If the Spurs are truly open (or actively shopping) to moving TP, that opens up a lot of things and I hope they aren't just looking at those two teams.

, something from any other team looking for a PG should be considered if they are going to move him.

[DPG21920]

Agreed on all points

Hill to Utah or Indiana for the 12th or 15th pick would be a godsend indeed. (Not a big fan of Chris Singleton though)

Makes a lot of sense really.

Yup. I know we are all caught up in the TP part because of the source, but the Hill part is in there as well. I certainly hope (and I really like Hill) that the Spurs go that route.

[TheProfessor]

Would you throw talent away just to salary dump him? No way I would.

Of course not. And hopefully the Spurs wouldn't either.

[ohmwrecker]

Dumping RJ would be a bonus, but under no cir stance should it be a motivating factor for trading TP. Any trade involving Parker should yield superb talent + potential in return. Nothing else is acceptable. If the Spurs can get a team to agree to take on RJ, then great, but TP should not be dealt so frivolously.

[baseline bum]

If the Spurs are truly open (or actively shopping) to moving TP, that opens up a lot of things and I hope they aren't just looking at those two teams.

, something like Varejo/Jamison/4th pick for TP/RJ would be much better than dealing with the Kings IMO.

That deal makes no sense for Cleveland. They're in a total rebuild and couldn't get good before Parker starts massively slowing down.

[baseline bum]

Of course not. And hopefully the Spurs wouldn't either.

That's the only way it happens. 3 more years at the money he makes for what he gives on the floor shapes up to be an enormously toxic contract.

[DPG21920]

That deal makes no sense for Cleveland. They're in a total rebuild and couldn't get good before Parker starts massively slowing down.

Ya, I didn't really think it through from CLE's side . My point was that if SA is really committed to moving TP for whatever reason, I hope they are looking around for better deals than proposed.

[TimmehC]

Unless RC facerapes Toronto with something like this, I ing hate this.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6kc8drb

[objective]

and the reason some people are clamoring to throw in Jefferson as dump is because he's irredeemable. It's not about dumping Parker in order to dump Jefferson, it's because Jefferson is beyond useless.

Jefferson can not play. Think about it . . . Pop was more invested in RJ than perhaps any player in a long, long time. He put so much of himself and his time into RJ to work on his game. He gave the blessing to give RJ that revolting, idiotic deal. He had no real back-up SF alternatives to RJ on the roster, after fat 2-guard Anderson blew his foot up.

Pop was all in on Jefferson, to a degree that is maddening. But despite that . . . in the biggest game of the season, the brink of elimination . . . RJ sucked so bad that Pop refused to play him in the 2nd half. That is incredible. Pop had so much invested into RJ, both time and lots and lots of money, but RJ was so damn ty that Pop couldn't bring himself to play him in the 2nd half.

Even more damning was the lack of a back-up SF to play. It didn't matter, Pop couldn't bring himself to play RJ. Pop decided to go with an exhausted broken armed Manu and a 6-4 2-guard like Neal instead of RJ. Against superstars like Sam Young. Pop still couldn't afford one second of RJ in the second half.

Jefferson can not play for the Spurs. EVER again. Any single second of Jefferson on the court is an abomination to the franchise. So if there's a chance to pawn him off on some idiotic team with Parker so that anyone else can play SF for the Spurs, then at least there's something good that can come out of the bad (losing Parker). ANYONE, I don't care if it's Danny Green or Anderson or Butler or training camp invite scrub, ANYONE is better than Richard Jefferson. ANYONE.

I don't want Parker traded. I want Hill gone instead, 10 times out of 10. BUT if Parker has to go, then the best case scenario is that he takes RJ's soft lazy overpaid over-the-hill carcass with him.

[DPG21920]

That is a terrible deal for the Spurs.

[baseline bum]

and the reason some people are clamoring to throw in Jefferson as dump is because he's irredeemable. It's not about dumping Parker in order to dump Jefferson, it's because Jefferson is beyond useless.

Jefferson can not play. Think about it . . . Pop was more invested in RJ than perhaps any player in a long, long time. He put so much of himself and his time into RJ to work on his game. He gave the blessing to give RJ that revolting, idiotic deal. He had no real back-up SF alternatives to RJ on the roster, after fat 2-guard Anderson blew his foot up.

Pop was all in on Jefferson, to a degree that is maddening. But despite that . . . in the biggest game of the season, the brink of elimination . . . RJ sucked so bad that Pop refused to play him in the 2nd half. That is incredible. Pop had so much invested into RJ, both time and lots and lots of money, but RJ was so damn ty that Pop couldn't bring himself to play him in the 2nd half.

Even more damning was the lack of a back-up SF to play. It didn't matter, Pop couldn't bring himself to play RJ. Pop decided to go with an exhausted broken armed Manu and a 6-4 2-guard like Neal instead of RJ. Against superstars like Sam Young. Pop still couldn't afford one second of RJ in the second half.

Jefferson can not play for the Spurs. EVER again. Any single second of Jefferson on the court is an abomination to the franchise. So if there's a chance to pawn him off on some idiotic team with Parker so that anyone else can play SF for the Spurs, then at least there's something good that can come out of the bad (losing Parker). ANYONE, I don't care if it's Danny Green or Anderson or Butler or training camp invite scrub, ANYONE is better than Richard Jefferson. ANYONE.

I don't want Parker traded. I want Hill gone instead, 10 times out of 10. BUT if Parker has to go, then the best case scenario is that he takes RJ's soft lazy overpaid over-the-hill carcass with him.

So just buy out then.

[stnick2261]

trading Parker for a lottery pick this year will also land us a lottery pick next year (our own)

[SenorSpur]

and the reason some people are clamoring to throw in Jefferson as dump is because he's irredeemable. It's not about dumping Parker in order to dump Jefferson, it's because Jefferson is beyond useless.

Jefferson can not play. Think about it . . . Pop was more invested in RJ than perhaps any player in a long, long time. He put so much of himself and his time into RJ to work on his game. He gave the blessing to give RJ that revolting, idiotic deal. He had no real back-up SF alternatives to RJ on the roster, after fat 2-guard Anderson blew his foot up.

Pop was all in on Jefferson, to a degree that is maddening. But despite that . . . in the biggest game of the season, the brink of elimination . . . RJ sucked so bad that Pop refused to play him in the 2nd half. That is incredible. Pop had so much invested into RJ, both time and lots and lots of money, but RJ was so damn ty that Pop couldn't bring himself to play him in the 2nd half.

Even more damning was the lack of a back-up SF to play. It didn't matter, Pop couldn't bring himself to play RJ. Pop decided to go with an exhausted broken armed Manu and a 6-4 2-guard like Neal instead of RJ. Against superstars like Sam Young. Pop still couldn't afford one second of RJ in the second half.

Jefferson can not play for the Spurs. EVER again. Any single second of Jefferson on the court is an abomination to the franchise. So if there's a chance to pawn him off on some idiotic team with Parker so that anyone else can play SF for the Spurs, then at least there's something good that can come out of the bad (losing Parker). ANYONE, I don't care if it's Danny Green or Anderson or Butler or training camp invite scrub, ANYONE is better than Richard Jefferson. ANYONE.

I don't want Parker traded. I want Hill gone instead, 10 times out of 10. BUT if Parker has to go, then the best case scenario is that he takes RJ's soft lazy overpaid over-the-hill carcass with him.

I understand your points and agree with most. However, I just think that expecting cash-strapped teams like the Jazz and Kings to take on the heavy contracts of both Parker and RJ would be a stretch.

[objective]

So just buy out then.

I'd be thrilled if the Spurs did that. Maybe they'll luck out and there will be another amnesty situation.

But hey, they were dumb enough to sign him to that deal after all the signals that they shouldn't. They've probably already talked themselves back into thinking that RJ will be a great fit next year.

[Russo21]

Gee we better not get rid of Tony for a draft pick and pieces The only way i'd want to see tony go is to get a damn descent big man in return for him. en crazy stuff

[objective]

I understand your points and agree with most. However, I just think that expecting cash-strapped teams like the Jazz and Kings to take on the heavy contracts of both Parker and RJ would be a stretch.

I know, I'm just saying that honey to make the deal go down better for me, as a fan, would be junking RJ.

The only team that could handle RJ would probably be Toronto.

But I'm just dreaming, hoping beyond hope that Spurs fans everywhere will be spared the deception of watching RJ in the regular season.

[ohmwrecker]

You don't trade Tony Parker just to dump Richard Jefferson. That is beyond moronic.

[MaNu4Tres]

You don't trade Tony Parker just to dump Richard Jefferson. That is beyond moronic.

Without question.

[ElNono]

Tony/RJ for Bargnani/DeRozan/Calderon+pick

Although I don't think Toronto would let go of DeRozan that easy.

[Russo21]

Peter Holt is one of the 'poorest' owners in the NBA worth about 80 million 'only'

Maybe the last few years paying such huge salary to Duncan tony and manu, and the piece of we know as RJ really affected his pockets more then we know? He went deep into luxury tax territory taking on dip RJ.

I hope Peter isn't in any trouble financially.

[ohmwrecker]

Tony/RJ for Bargnani/DeRozan/Calderon+pick

Although I don't think Toronto would let go of DeRozan that easy.

No way Toronto does that deal.

[DPG21920]

Thursday should be interesting around here.