Spurs fielding trade calls for Parker

[tmtcsc]

More than any other player?

Richard Jefferson is still on this team and still the starter.

And as far as replacing McDyess in the starting lineup . . . Pop himself said, "Maybe it's Matt Bonner."

No, Parker has not let the team down more than any other member of the starting 5.

RJ's poor performance didn't surprise anyone. He's been a bust on our roster and yet he's the best SF we have. What options did we have ? Anderson wasn't on the playoff roster. By the time it was all over, Jefferson was riding the bench.

[Vic Petro]

I wouldn't read too much into the Sacto/Toronto part of the report. The big news is that we have further confirmation that they are willing to trade Tony Parker in the right deal.

It seems like Denver is driving a hard bargain with Sacto over Felton. Nuggs say they want #7 straight up, so Sacto leaks this report to get Denver to soften their stance. "We're not gonna give you #7 straight up for Felton if we can get Tony Parker." No real benefit for the Spurs to leak this info.

[5in10]

I have questions.Can Toronto absorb Tonys contract from the Bosh Trade exception? Second, If they could wouldn't that make sense to get like maybe Amir Johnson or Ed Davis, and the # 5 Pick, for Tony make sense? Maybe draft a SF or PG with the #5. With that available cap space could we make like a run at Greg Oden, Nene, or Chandler? If possible I would do that in a heartbeat.

[Spurtacus]

You know, Parker could be traded for two first rounders. Raptors #5 this year and a likely lottery pick next year.

Parker is past his prime at 29. He's not finished but he's our best trade asset. Getting back Calderon and two potential lottery picks isn't a bad deal.

[timtonymanu]

you.. Because i don't love Tony.. He is Hollywood.. Send him to the Clippers.. You got Spurs fans here that think Manu has been as valuable as Duncan..

Parker doesnt believe in the team so I want him gone

[TDMVPDPOY]

you pull the trade anything that involves gettin rid of rjs contract

heck then sign some veteran pg to start..maybe iverson hahaha

[Agloco]

Parker is past his prime at 29.

Really?

[Spurtacus]

Really?

No really? Some posts in this thread hinted that Parker still has a ton left in his tank. Fact is he doesn't. We're still better with him for the next two years but now may be the time to start thinking about the future of the Spurs.

[ALVAREZ6]

It all depends on what the Spurs motivation for trading Parker is . . . if they are really upset about his comments, that's just sad. Disappointing. Pathetic, really. Pop in his ass, if that's the case.

Yeah, I really wish the motivation were clear to us. That would truly be ing pathetic and hypocritical...if they're inclined to ship Tony because they think he doesn't believe anymore, they might as well order a hitman for Pop's sucking re ed ass in deliberately ing the team.

This whole thing is bound to backfire, the only way it might work is if they end up doing nothing in relation to the draft and instead create interest in Parker from other teams who have an equally valuable player like a solid big man ready to come in and help this team make one more run. And of course, I don't give a how advantageous a possible Parker trade is for the Spurs, I will only approve if RJ is also shipped. If the sucker wants to keep his boy Bonner another year, so be it, but a dude of RJ's contract level playing so poorly has to be shipped.

[ALVAREZ6]

Really?

Yeah, pretty dumb. Sure, Tony isn't as lightning quick as he was in 05, but he's still about as effective as he's ever been.

[TD 21]

I wouldn't read too much into the Sacto/Toronto part of the report. The big news is that we have further confirmation that they are willing to trade Tony Parker in the right deal.

It seems like Denver is driving a hard bargain with Sacto over Felton. Nuggs say they want #7 straight up, so Sacto leaks this report to get Denver to soften their stance. "We're not gonna give you #7 straight up for Felton if we can get Tony Parker." No real benefit for the Spurs to leak this info.

I agree about not reading too much into the Raptors/Kings part. "Willing to trade Parker in the right deal" isn't saying much. Almost without exception, everyone is available in the right deal. I'm still not convinced that they're shopping him or intend to trade him though. This could be nothing more than them doing their due diligence.

This could also be their way of getting back at Parker for his comments. They may have leaked this, just to scare him into thinking he might be dealt to the Raptors or Kings. I'd be surprised if something actually happens though. The players likely to be available in that range aren't good enough prospects or fits for this to make sense.

[ALVAREZ6]

No really? Some posts in this thread hinted that Parker still has a ton left in his tank. Fact is he doesn't. We're still better with him for the next two years but now may be the time to start thinking about the future of the Spurs.

WTF?

TP does have a ton left in the tank. Yeah, he doesn't have years left of possible championship success on this aging Spurs team, but individually he still has his legs, Manu and especially Duncan not so much.


WTF are you talking about?

If you're bringing a "thinking about the future" argument approach, it would be the opposite, trade Duncan and Ginobili and keep Parker around for a few more years.

[Spurtacus]

Yeah, pretty dumb. Sure, Tony isn't as lightning quick as he was in 05, but he's still about as effective as he's ever been.

What's dumb is not quoting the entire post. This is what I said.

"Parker is past his prime at 29. He's not finished but he's our best trade asset. Getting back Calderon and two potential lottery picks isn't a bad deal. "

[Trimble87]

I don't really see the upside of trying to trade Tony for picks in this incredibly shallow draft. However I wouldn't hate the trade if we either got good players + a high draft pick (4-10) or we managed to trade with Cleveland or Minnesota in order to grab Derrick Williams. I doubt Minny gwould be willing to deal given that they have Flynn and Rubio already. However a Sessions, Verajo, Filler(Hickson would be great but thats pushing it) + #1 pick for Tony would be a win in my book. I doubt the cavaliers would consider that though.

[ALVAREZ6]

I agree about not reading too much into the Raptors/Kings part. "Willing to trade Parker in the right deal" isn't saying much. Almost without exception, everyone is available in the right deal. I'm still not convinced that they're shopping him or intend to trade him though. This could be nothing more than them doing their due diligence.

This could also be their way of getting back at Parker for his comments. They may have leaked this, just to scare him into thinking he might be dealt to the Raptors or Kings. I'd be surprised if something actually happens though. The players likely to be available in that range aren't good enough prospects or fits for this to make sense.

I believe and seriously hope you are correct. It does make sense that they're simply given the offseason its due diligence as you say. I just hope it doesn't have much at all to due with scaring him into getting his together mentally or getting back at him for some sincere, harmless comments to meaningless French reporters that don't know about NBA basketball.

[Spurtacus]

WTF?

TP does have a ton left in the tank. Yeah, he doesn't have years left of possible championship success on this aging Spurs team, but individually he still has his legs, Manu and especially Duncan not so much.


WTF are you talking about?

If you're bringing a "thinking about the future" argument approach, it would be the opposite, trade Duncan and Ginobili and keep Parker around for a few more years.

He didn't show it against the Grizzlies.

Last I checked this is a Tony Parker trade discussion thread based on reported news.

[ALVAREZ6]

What's dumb is not quoting the entire post. This is what I said.

"Parker is past his prime at 29. He's not finished but he's our best trade asset. Getting back Calderon and two potential lottery picks isn't a bad deal. "

But Parker really isn't past his prime at 29...much like Wade, they're still in it. Sure, maybe they're at 95% of their highest athletic ability ever reached in their lives, but as players they are still effective as ever.

[The Truth #6]

Smoke screen. CIA Pop. Not enough guts to pull off a trade. Whatever reason, it's not happening.

[ALVAREZ6]

He didn't show it against the Grizzlies.

Last I checked this is a Tony Parker trade discussion thread based on reported news.

Right before your last realistic shot, would you trade away your proven all-star PG for having one bad series, when the overwhelming majority of the entire team, including the coach, had the same bad series?????

[Spurtacus]

But Parker really isn't past his prime at 29...much like Wade, they're still in it. Sure, maybe they're at 95% of their highest athletic ability ever reached in their lives, but as players they are still effective as ever.

I have to respectfully disagree on the prime part. I'd prefer not to move Parker, but Calderon and two first rounders is a great deal if offered. Calderon is the same age as Parker but the trade is more about the future. If the Spurs are thinking about trading Parker then it has to be because they are looking at unloading salary and rebuilding.

I do not believe a trade will happen. Spurs are still a contender with Parker and it would be a dishonor to Duncan & Manu to start rebuilding in their final years.

[crc21209]

I just don't see this Parker for picks, or even Parker + RJ for pick + another decent role player working out very well. I haven't analyzed scenarios with many teams, but I can't see it working out even mediocre-ly well after considering the big picture.

Given the Spurs community loves Duncan and Ginobili, and at least knowing it's essentially a guarantee Duncan will retire a Spur, this franchise is still in win now mode. And I truly think they have one more decent chance to make a deep playoff run as long as they keep the big 3 together and ship out the incompetent role player heads like RJ, Bonner, and even Hill is exchangeable.

The problem with trading away Parker while in win now mode is that it leaves a massive scoring whole and shifts more of the burden to Ginobili, who we all know is streaky as . , currently in the NBA unless you are Dallas, you can't expect to go far while expecting one main player to do most of the scoring. Duncan obviously can't be relied upon to score very much at this stage of his career, you just can't feed his body the ball 15-17 times a night and expect him to produce very efficiently in the playoffs, game after game. If they traded Parker via this route, they likely wouldn't get another big scorer in return...a Ginobili/Duncan 70-75% Spurs offense won't cut it.

If they trade Parker, picks isn't the route, they need a solid scorer in return and RJ has to go. All things considered, it's best they don't touch the big 3 and instead modify the bench/role players.

This. People have to realize this. Manu and Tim are the older guys and were the ones who were hurt more throughout the season than anyone else on the team. They're older, and more prone to get injured at their age now. And who keeps the Spurs afloat while Tim or Manu or both are out? Tony. TP is also the reason why the Spurs get so many easy buckets and transition buckets. Without him, you put more pressure on Manu and Tim on the offensive end, and lose basically your entire fast break game. If trading TP is the only way to go, it better be for a pick or TWO even, and some DAMN good players, or otherwise....I as a Spurs fan am going to be pretty pissed off....

[crc21209]

I really, really just don't want to see the Big 3 blown up so quick. The Pistons blew up their core and look what's happened to them since then. The Spurs just have to find creative ways to get some ing hungry young talent or hungry vets for one last shot. Because guys like Bonner and RJ arent going to ing get it done. I would trade Hill for a shot at a 8-15 pick in this years draft though. Roll with the Big 3, Neal, Splitter, Hill (if not traded) and replace everyone else on the damn roster and take another shot at a le....

[Spurtacus]

This. People have to realize this. Manu and Tim are the older guys and were the ones who were hurt more throughout the season than anyone else on the team. They're older, and more prone to get injured at their age now. And who keeps the Spurs afloat while Tim or Manu or both are out? Tony. TP is also the reason why the Spurs get so many easy buckets and transition buckets. Without him, you put more pressure on Manu and Tim on the offensive end, and lose basically your entire fast break game. If trading TP is the only way to go, it better be for a pick or TWO even, and some DAMN good players, or otherwise....I as a Spurs fan am going to be pretty pissed off....

Parkers missed games every year due to injury. If you look at last year Manu played 2 more games then him. Duncan played two less than Parker but you can blame that dumb DNP for his ankle injury.

[SenorSpur]

This. People have to realize this. Manu and Tim are the older guys and were the ones who were hurt more throughout the season than anyone else on the team. They're older, and more prone to get injured at their age now. And who keeps the Spurs afloat while Tim or Manu or both are out? Tony. TP is also the reason why the Spurs get so many easy buckets and transition buckets. Without him, you put more pressure on Manu and Tim on the offensive end, and lose basically your entire fast break game. If trading TP is the only way to go, it better be for a pick or TWO even, and some DAMN good players, or otherwise....I as a Spurs fan am going to be pretty pissed off....

That's why I'd rather the Spurs ship Hill's ass out of here instead.

[TDMVPDPOY]

tp + rj for sacrementos lottery pick + beno + fillers