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So if Hill sucks so much how have the spurs managed to win games (at an even higher %) when Parker is out of the lineup?
You and I must be watching different games then. It's a known fact that he sucks running the offense and most of the time, he's out there with Manu.
So if Hill sucks so much how have the spurs managed to win games (at an even higher %) when Parker is out of the lineup?
Total bull . Why would the spurs trade tony for a freakin draft pick? That's pretty much slapping the great tim duncan in the face and saying we cant win. A freakin draft pick? They can friggen well do better then that. We have 1 more year left to possibly win. What the is trading tony for a draft pick gonna do for the last year or so of the tim duncan era.
If there gonna trade him they should be asking for a decent 7 foot centre instead of a fn draft pick!
I'd rather trade Hill. Tony Parker was pretty much your leading scorer last season. He's been the most consistent. How would you fill that void? He sucks in the defenders when he drives to the basket, which frees up the shooters on the outside.
Hill hasn't shown much other than that time Parker was hurt, but that doesn't prove he can run this team. Get a high draft pick for Parker is stupid. It frees up cap space, but so what?
You mean for a short stint in the regular season when teams don't really adjust to George Hill running the point? Fact is a lot of us have quivering assholes at the thought of G. Hill running the point, small sample size stats be damned.
"If the Spurs were to trade Parker, George Hill(notes) could become their starting point guard. League sources said Hill also has drawn trade interest from teams willing to give the Spurs a pick near the back end of the lottery."
Yes, you missed quite a bit. The article says nothing about Casspi. That was a suggestion about 12 pages ago and by page 14 it is fact. In fact, you really can't say the stuff about Parker is more than a rumor. My point is of the 2 rumors in the article I would prefer to move Hill for a pick 5 or 6 spots later because I believe Parker is worth a heck of a lot more than 5 or 6 spots than Hill. Especially since Hill becomes less valuable to us trying to work both Anderson, Neal and Manu into the line up.
I firmly believe that George Hill feels more comfortable when Tony is not in front of him in the rotation. George always stepped up when Tony was injured for a longer period of time.
I like Casspi, a little inconsistent, but with much room for improvement. Since RJ is not part of the trade talks currently I do not understand comparing Casspi to RJ. We might end up having them both.
G hill is a D bag. Have you seen him on twitter? Dumber than a box of rocks. He is less skilled than Neal.
As for Parker, hes been awful and single-handedly killed us the last two playoffs. He isnt very tough, and it is evident he cant will us to victory. NOT A LEADER. Although I think Parker needs to be traded, Casspri is not the answer. HE IS A BUM. Just what we need another RJ (but worse). He plays on Sac, arguably the leagues worst team, in a high tempo offense. Remember how great RJ seemed until he came to boring walk it up the court SA?
This draft is awful too. I could put my name into the lottery and would get taken third.
I would be EXTREMELY hesitant to trade TP for junk from Sac or Toronto and a draft pick.
UNLESS we unloaded Bonner, Richard, Parker and McDyess (even if he is retired):
But then you would have to essentially take the whole Sac team for it to work
Who was scouted by Spurs and it is projected as TOP 7 pick ?
If these rumors are true, and the Spurs are willing to trade Tony to move into the lottery in a fairly weak draft it makes me think that there is someone in the 6-8 range that the front office must really like. The trade for the 7th pick to Sacramento makes sense for the Kings, I know a few people here disagreed with that. But, the Kings need to start winning games, they have a nice young core but they can't have yet ANOTHER losing season. The team is in jeopardy of moving, some excitement needs to be generated. If they can get to the point where they are fighting for the 8th seed with 2 weeks left in the Playoffs that would be considered a successful 2011/12. I'm not sure I would take the 7th pick for Tony, I guess it all hinders on who the Spurs have in mind.. because it obviously is someone.
Are you aware no extra points are going to be handed out for being overly dramatic? Keep that for your teachers.
In the long list of why the Spurs failed in the last few years there are A LOT of entries before Parker shows up: the team being better off with 4 players on the court than with RJ in it, Bonner's repeated disappearing act, Splitter no being developed, etc.
I kind of hope that Parker will be traded just to show so-called Spurs fans what they are missing. Anybody saying Hill can be running the point has not watched ANY Spurs games in the last 3 years--that doesn't really surprise me from TJackal.
As stated earlier, Vesely, is the player the Spurs are targeting in the top 10. However, the key here are Toronto and Washington.
Colangelo was apparently really high on Vesely, but has since cooled off. Washington is/was interested in Vesely, too, yet if they can position themselves for Kanter, they will take him.
Either way, if Vesely is gone by 7, the Kings deal is off.
As mentioned, Vesely is an intriguing player. He is not your typical Euro, and will attack the rim relentlessly. He is that long 3 that everyone on this board has desired. If you watch video's of him, he has flashes of Manu Ginobili. The kid is fearless and has played against top Euro compe ion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zlB5w08_Es
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QZxGrVco3o
The second video is a pretty good break down.
Maybe you need to watch the games. Tony's D and the other PGs offensive EXPLOSION in combination with Parkers inability to see the floor AND TURN THE BALL OVER AT CRUCIAL MOMENTS were the reasons for our departures. Granted Bonner shouldnt be in the NBA and there were other factors that helped us bust. But even so, take away parker for almost any NBA PG and we moved to round 2 last year.
this could fit a 2 offseasons rebuilding program. (no lock out scenario) this year Tony is traded for a high pick and a young player.
(let's take the Kings scenario with Casspi or a Raptors package like #5 pick plus Davis or Kleiza. maybe Spurs trow in Blair. expiring contracts in return.).
Spurs then take Valanciunas or Vesely, knowing that the player might not come over before 2012.
Spurs play the season with Hill and will see if they are still a PO team till years end. if no, they put Manu on the market at the trade deadline for a young player/pick and expiring contracts. one contender will bite, knowing what Manu brings in terms of winning. (Spurs miss the PO and get a lottery pick in the deep 2012 draft)
Tim retires 2012, Tony and Manu are off the books. even with RJ still on the payroll and a new CBA, Spurs will have significant money available for FAs.
they have a lottery pick plus a young player from the Manu trade.
2012 roster could be like this:
Hill
Anderson
Neal
Jefferson
Splitter
Richards
Valanciunas/Vesely
Davis/Kleiza/Casspi
premium 2012 FA (maybe Paul, DH and Deron Williams are on the market. not likely they chose SA, still worth a try)
lottery pick 2012
player they got from the Manu trade, maybe a talented PG.
hm. this looks like a pretty nice group of players to build on and it also looks as if the Spurs don't need to go to the lottery for 5 years to rebuild.
Downright silly to blow up like this. There is no way the Spurs will give it up just like that this way. It is not a case of Championship or BUST this way.
Proud winners like Duncan and Manu will not want to ride the sunset like this. There is no way the Spurs are trading Parker. There is too much irrationality in the whole scheme. I suspect Adrian Woj has blown a bomb in this trade rumour.
I think long term, The Spurs have the role players to surround a core with, they just lack the core. Also, the fact the main group of Tim, Tony, Manu has lasted so long means that Tony is going to be too old to build around. If you can get value know that is a combination of building for the future and potentially getting a star to lump the role players around, it's an option. I don't think you go rebuild all the way, but If you get a high pick and a good piece that'll help this year and in the future, it's an option. I still think a 60 win team should be looking for win now, though potentially incorporating the not to distant future into decision making.
+1
In my opinion Manu's injury is the difference between us going at least to the WCF and losing in the first round.
If Pop sits him in that meaningless PHX game we meet the Grizz being @ full strenght and have a big chance of winning game 1. With the win in game 2 we go to Memphis leading the series 2-0, meaning the Gruizzlies still don't have a Playoff win. If it goes that way it's a complete different series.
Second round I have no doubts that we would have beat the Thunder. We just own them. We know it, they know it.
WCF against the Mavs is a toss up imo. Mavs beeing the favorites the way they played during the Post Season, but I think we'd had a legit chance of beating them.
So despite the awfulness of RJ and Bonner in my opinion we were just one dumbass decision away from beeing contender.
As for the Tony rumor: I don't want him gone, but as others said before, if the package is right then you might have no choice but pulling the trigger
I say no to the the Caspi + 7pick trade. That would be a joke.
I'm a Spurs fan first so anything that will make the team better works for me. Tony Parker is pretty much the only tradable asset so I know why the Spurs would shop him around. But if they do trade him it better be for someone who is 10x the player TP is because; to lose your starting pg especially one like Tony Parker who has run the offense for the past 9 years can be detrimental to the team.
i think the Spurs FO is reacting to TP's comments about this team not contending anymore. Pop hates that . if Spurs trade himto the kings for a pick i'd like a player like Casspi along with it.
evans + DP #7 ok...
and add RJ for Casspi ;-)
but not less..
TP is our leader now..he know pop's system better than anyone in the team and it will take maybe too many times to learn this to another PG (or maybe hill is now a true PG..i doubt it)
2 days....it will be 2 long days to know the truth and see what happen in san antonio...
include Bonner in the deal for a box of bomboms
It's bon bons...smh
Not really sure what you mean here but reading between the lines of your post I am summising you do not rate this Bonner chap?
Jan Vesely? That er can't even hit half his free throws.
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