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    If they don't sign RJ to this new contract, they don't resign Bonner and they don't sign Splitter either. In retrospect that wouldn't necessarily have been a bad move (we will know for sure if/when Splitter gets some decent PT), but from the front office point of view, knowing how high they were/are on Bonner and how hopeful they were about Splitter, it totally made sense.

    You cannot look at things like this in a vacuum.
    How do you figure if they let RJ go and don't restructue any contract for him that they could not sign Splitter ( they also should not have signed Bonner again also)?

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    How do you figure if they let RJ go and don't restructue any contract for him that they could not sign Splitter ( they also should not have signed Bonner again also)?
    TBH what was even the point of signing Splitter to a contract this year... RC/Pop could have just waited till next year when their was available capspace for as much PT as Splitter got.

    In retrospect, all that monkey'ing around with restructuring RJ's contract to make room for Tiago just ended up being a big waste of time and money (for both sides).

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    TBH what was even the point of signing Splitter to a contract this year... RC/Pop could have just waited till next year when their was available capspace for as much PT as Splitter got.

    In retrospect, all that monkey'ing around with restructuring RJ's contract to make room for Tiago just ended up being a big waste of time and money (for both sides).
    They had higher hopes for Splitter coming into last season but he was injured early on and never showed enough for Pop to trust him with much playing time. Splitter was a bust in his first season.

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    They had higher hopes for Splitter coming into last season but he was injured early on and never showed enough for Pop to trust him with much playing time. Splitter was a bust in his first season.
    What were you & Pop expecting, an all-star? He played great defense every time his number was called, and managed to score some points on the side. That's all the spurs really need him to do. He would have been better than Blair in the starting lineup by a longshot.

    It's dumb s like you that just keep perpetuating the stupid excuses. The classic injury excuse. Next it'll be the lame "Tiago didn't show enough in practices", then for the finale you'll tell us that Pop was smart to give Matt Bonner all his minutes cuz he's just so awesome and stuff.

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    Re: Blazers. If "the point guard can't shoot" is the problem, not seeing how Tony Parker is the answer.

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    How do you figure if they let RJ go and don't restructue any contract for him that they could not sign Splitter ( they also should not have signed Bonner again also)?
    RJ had one year left on his contract. You can be 100% sure he didn't opt out of $15 million w/o anything from the Spurs saying they'd sign him back. He and his agent aren't that stupid. I know that because he opted out people started to come up with fantasies of "why did the Spurs sign him back" but it was 100% pre-agreed before he opted out, no other way around it.

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    I think it's pretty obvious the spurs are playing hardball right now but they'll soften up eventually when they find no takers for RJ and move TP somewhere else, probably for something like Casspi + 7th.
    If that's all they can get, they would just keep Parker. I don't understand your hard-on for Casspi. It's disturbing.

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    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slu..._irving_062311

    The San Antonio Spurs’ aggressive pursuit of a lottery pick had them trying to get into the early teens, with hopes of using one of those picks to move up even higher in the first round, sources said. San Antonio could get into the late teens – perhaps the Utah Jazz slot at 12 – to draft. The Spurs are enamored with Lithuanian 7-footer Dontas Montejunas, sources said, and could move up to take him in the late lottery picks. Nevertheless, several teams believe San Antonio’s ultimate goal is to parlay that late lottery pick into an even higher spot in the first round. The Spurs are discussing deals involving guard George Hill(notes) to get them anywhere from 11 to 13, and using Tony Parker(notes) in talks to rise up to the Sacramento Kings or Toronto Raptors picks at seven and five, respectively.

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    Well looks like the mindset is clear- REBUILD.

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    Well looks like the mindset is clear- REBUILD.
    I don't think it's that simple. It looks like they're trying to rebuild on the fly without blowing up the whole team. There's no word about trading Tim or Manu, so they're obviously not rebuilding from scratch. I think they're looking to get great players to keep the winning ways alive after Tim is gone. We might not be contenders again, but I don't think we'll be a lottery team either. We can't forget that while R.C. has made some errors in the last couple of years, he's been spot on more often than not. So we can trust that he's going to keep the Spurs in the playoff race for many many more years.

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    @BlazerFreeman For Blazer fans having nightmares about Tony Parker in a Blazers uniform, sleep well tonight.

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    Since I failed to mention it, the notebook breaks the Tony Parker situation as well - http://bit.ly/kUPjzH

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    Well looks like the mindset is clear- REBUILD.
    That, my friend, was obvious, at least to me, after watching that stunning 4-game sweep at the hands of the Suns last spring. That's when the light came on for me that this team was declining rapidly and the window had all but closed.

    When your best player and once-in-a-lifetime, HOF, PF, Duncan, hits the age wall, it's clear that your team is also in severe decline.

    Unfortunately, the Spurs fooled themselves into thinking that things weren't that bad - despite the stunning playoff sweep last spring. The 61-win season this year notwithstanding, the wheels fell off in the playoffs again versus the Grizzlies. All of this isn't an accident. This is hard, cold reality.

    Rebuilding will take time. The rebuild process is already underway. Now it's time to accelerate it.

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    RT @Preine_PtR: RT @IamaGM Jazz offered Devin Harris and No. 12 pick to Spurs for Tony Parker

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    I think Bruno's theory must be very close to the truth.

    Spurs want to trade Hill. They send signals that they are to trade Parker (which makes a lot of sense given his current situation--playoffs, mouthing off, extracurricular activities...). The Spurs start to receive some offers for Parker, some of them quite good. In the meanwhile Hill's value goes up. However the Spurs never wanted to trade Parker in the first place, so they add RJ to any Parker deal, knowing nobody will take them up on that offer (and so far, nobody has indeed). Then they let everybody know that since option #1 (trading Parker +RJ) isn't working out, they are open to option #2 (trading Hill), which was actually their option #1 all along, but with which they might manage to gouge some team by pretending they really didn't want to trade Hill.

    CIA.

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    Here's another trade that's not going to happen, but it's fun to speculate because that's all we can do at this point.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3cjyk7s

    Nash and Dudley for Parker. Then the Suns can continue to try and trade Gortat to Minny for the #2 and grab the hometown guy if/when Cleveland takes Irving.

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    RT @Preine_PtR: RT @IamaGM Jazz offered Devin Harris and No. 12 pick to Spurs for Tony Parker
    Wow that sucks

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    That, my friend, was obvious, at least to me, after watching that stunning 4-game sweep at the hands of the Suns last spring. That's when the light came on for me that this team was declining rapidly and the window had all but closed.

    When your best player and once-in-a-lifetime, HOF, PF, Duncan, hits the age wall, it's clear that your team is also in severe decline.

    Unfortunately, the Spurs fooled themselves into thinking that things weren't that bad - despite the stunning playoff sweep last spring. The 61-win season this year notwithstanding, the wheels fell off in the playoffs again versus the Grizzlies. All of this isn't an accident. This is hard, cold reality.

    Rebuilding will take time. The rebuild process is already underway. Now it's time to accelerate it.
    The Spurs will no doubt take at least one more shot. I am sure the mindset is that 2 of the losses...game 1 where Zach Randolf, a 19% 3pt shooter hits one at the end to win it and Sam Young a 26% 3pt shooter does the same in game 5 and the best player on your team misses one game and is clearly not playing to his potetial in the other games that the series could have easily gone the Spurs way even with the mismatches down low. You don't necessarily blow it up because of that especially as you say the rebuilding process will be slow.

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    giving up both point guards for a prospect, I don't buy that.

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    ^^^ that series may have been close.... but we lost to the team, that lost to the team, that lost to the team that won the championship.

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    http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2011/6...value#comments

    Dont know how I came across this but look at all the fools in the message board thinking that Jefferson is still a decent player. Maybe its just us spurs fans that understand hes a gut-less coward. Some of them literally had me cracking up.
    I think you're seeing how the other half lives tbh.

    Spurfan has been spoiled for far too long.

    This link gives a lot of insight on how another team might view RJeff:

    http://www.sactownroyalty.com/2011/6...cramento-kings

    They say he would be the best SF on the team. That's a reality check that Spurfan hasn't had to deal with in a few decades. We've been spoiled by the likes of Elliott, Horry, and Bowen.

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    You said it. THIS is the kid they should be after. He could be paired with either Duncan or Splitter and would instantly improve their faulty interior defense. There's no question that Biyombo would solidfy the PF position on this team for years to come.

    If the Spurs were to somehow position themselves and then surprise us all by taking this guy, I would be absolutely ecstatic. I"m hopeful that they are secretly targeting this kid.
    You don't think he's too raw? He's got no offense to speak of. I'd also be weary of him being a fouling machine for the first year at least.

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    Double post

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    RT @Preine_PtR: RT @IamaGM Jazz offered Devin Harris and No. 12 pick to Spurs for Tony Parker
    Blah! For a split second when I read this I was thinking of Deron Williams, but I forgot he got traded to the Nets for Devin.

    I thought, "Deron Williams! s yea! Why did this not go through?"

    Then I realized wait thats not right...

    God what could have been.

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    Come on man, you know how the game is played. They offer, Spurs counter-offer, etc. until they come to an agreement. I can't wait to see what's going to happen. Whatever the case, at least it brings some excitement to what will be an otherwise dull offseason.

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    Tony, Richard, 29 for Bogut, Maggette and 10th pick.

    Why would the Bucks want RJ back lol.

    That would be like the Spurs trading RJ right now and then trading back for him a few months later.
    Not a good comparison since RJ isn't the ONLY person going to Milwaukee in that trade. It's the other guy that would provide that motivation.

    But yeah, the Bucks did trade him for cap relief so taking on 22 mil again is most likely out of the question for them, even if they get Parker.
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