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    Fun-filled read from Matt, as usual, whether you agree with him or not

    (In this particular case, I do)

    http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...y-war-20110622

    In modern American politics, being the right kind of ignorant and entertainingly crazy is like having a big right hand in boxing; you've always got a puncher's chance. And Bachmann is exactly the right kind of completely bat crazy. Not medically crazy, not talking-to-herself-on-the-subway crazy, but grandiose crazy, late-stage Kim Jong-Il crazy — crazy in the sense that she's living completely inside her own mind, frenetically pacing the hallways of a vast sand castle she's built in there, unable to meaningfully communicate with the human beings on the other side of the moat, who are all presumed to be enemies.

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    Seemed a bit strained and overwrought to me. Not one of Taibbi's better pieces.

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    Taibbi's point about not misunderestimating Mic e Bachmann seems well-taken, though. A four point swing the other way in 2008 would have resulted in vice president Sarah Palin.

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    LOL... at least we know who DarrinS is voting for.

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    When it all shakes out I could easily see her getting the VP slot under Romney as a token for the right wing crazies.

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    When it all shakes out I could easily see her getting the VP slot under Romney as a token for the right wing crazies.
    I don't see myself as a right wing crazy, but for some reason, I have this itching feeling you mean those like me.

    Yes, I would vote for that ticket over Obama. Wouldn't have to think twice about it.

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    I don't see myself as a right wing crazy, but for some reason, I have this itching feeling you mean those like me.

    Yes, I would vote for that ticket over Obama. Wouldn't have to think twice about it.
    I didn't say I wouldn't vote for that ticket over Obama. I just wish the Republicans would quit pandering to the religious right and get the out of peoples lives on abortion, sexuality, weed, etc.

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    I didn't say I wouldn't vote for that ticket over Obama. I just wish the Republicans would quit pandering to the religious right and get the out of peoples lives on abortion, sexuality, weed, etc.
    I wish the federal government would stop interfering with states rights, and let each state decide those issues for themselves.

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    I wish the federal government would stop interfering with states rights, and let each state decide those issues for themselves.
    Why stop at state's rights with this? Why not county/city rights? Why not the right between a person and their physician?

    That logic just doesn't fly...

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    “She’s a perfect product of the religious right…” In detailing Bachmann’s biblical world view that stemmed from Francis Schaeffer, “All reality is determined by theological starting point, and so basically very single aspect of public life, science, history, economics, everything is determined by your religious beliefs and only those with the correct religious beliefs can correctly perceive any sort of reality, and it’s a way in which you can dismiss huge swaths of history, evolution, you can basically say that anything that doesn’t fit with your ideology is the product of mistaken theological premise.”

    “Michele Bachmann says certain things that sound crazy to the general public. But to anybody raised in the environment of the evangelical right wing, what she says makes perfect sense.”

    According to a recent poll, 35% of those who support Michele Bachmann thought the rapture was coming on May 21.

    The majority of Americans can admire Bachmann on the surface, and tend to assume that her religious beliefs are similar to their own or the Christians they know, and this is where the danger lay. If you haven’t been subjected to the Dominionist Reconstructionist religious views, you wouldn’t have thought twice about Bachmann’s far right evangelical signal during the debate, “We are the head, not the tail.”

    http://www.politicususa.com/en/miche...iticus+USA+%29

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    Michele Bachmann thinks the world is ending and the pope is the antichrist

    Bachmann stands with Israel because she needs the Jews to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem so that Christ can return, rapture the Christians up to Heaven, convince the Jews to worship him during the Tribulations, and then rule over the Earth from Israel for 1,000 years. (This is what these people believe, very, very literally.)

    WELS confirms that they still "identify this 'Antichrist' with the Papacy," in case you're curious.

    Bachmann has denied that her church believes this, but ... it is definitely one of the fundamental doctrines of her church, according to her Synod's doctrinal statements.

    http://www.salon.com/news/politics/w...ope/index.html

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    "religious" nutters and their bat crazy OT beliefs (Christ is almost completely de-emphasized in, absent from their bat tiness) and the demagogues who pander to them.

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    Taibbi's point about not misunderestimating Mic e Bachmann seems well-taken, though.
    This is probably the main thing I took away from the piece.

    Sometimes with Taibbi you have to cut through the hyperbole and wild analogies to find his point, although for me, those are what make his articles so much fun to read.

    Right now, imo, she is the strongest Republican candidate. I really don't see her being a vice presidential nominee. Had Palin not blazed that trail for republicans last year, I think it would be far more likely. As things stand now, I believe if she loses in the primaries she'll go back to congress and bide her time until 2016 when she can have another go at it. Also, I doubt her ego would allow her to be the number 2, that is, unless god speaks to her again sometime in the near future

    To me, the three most potent Republicans are on the sidelines. Gates, Petraeus, and Christie. I still can't see any of the current crop beating Obama, and that includes Perry

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    Palin or Bachmann on the Repug ticket assures a slam-dunk for Barry.

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    If the economy continues to deteriorate any of them will be able to beat Obama.

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    Palin or Bachmann on the Repug ticket assures a slam-dunk for Barry.
    I agree, but I would definitely give Bachmann the best chance out of those available. The economy is killing Barry right now, and seems to only be getting worse. Whoever the repubs put up is going to get a load of protest votes unless something turns around quickly

    Palin isn't running, though. She's too busy counting her money and basking in the right-wing limelight.

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    Why stop at state's rights with this? Why not county/city rights? Why not the right between a person and their physician?

    That logic just doesn't fly...
    If the federal government pushes authority to make those decisions down to the state level then each state can have their own debate about whether or not that authority should be further passed down to the county/city level. If the feds tried to bypass the states and give the authority directly to cities, you'd have 50 states suing the federal government for violating their soveignty.

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    If the economy continues to deteriorate any of them will be able to beat Obama.
    Nah, it will only make it closer than it otherwise would've been, unless the bottom (of the economy) completely falls out.

    There are still too many moderate repubs/independents who just won't vote for a hardcore right winger. Also, if the elephants end up with a Huntsman/Pawlenty/Romney type, the base won't be energized enough to push them through. Just my opinion

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    trust me, the base hates Obama enough to be energized to vote.

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    That's not where US presidential elections are won and lost. If the GOP somehow manages to alienate the middle, they lose again. It's not a slam dunk.

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    which base? Repug or Dem?

    the Repug base thinks the current hole after 8 years of dubya and gang isn't a hole.

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    Nah, it will only make it closer than it otherwise would've been, unless the bottom (of the economy) completely falls out.

    There are still too many moderate repubs/independents who just won't vote for a hardcore right winger. Also, if the elephants end up with a Huntsman/Pawlenty/Romney type, the base won't be energized enough to push them through. Just my opinion
    Obama won by 4 votes when the bottom fallen out economy could be blamed 100% on the other side; with a historically unpopular sitting president mired in unpopular wars - and an opponent reviled by much of his OWN base - AND Obama was a clean slate - Hope and Change and all that.

    He's no longer a clean slate, and now owns every problem the country will have a reelection time.

    FOUR points.

    That said, I don't see any Republican currently in as a strong candidate, and Bachman in my book is trailing that week field - but I also don't see ANY Republican, considering the facts listed above, that couldn't unseat this president at this time.

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    That's not where US presidential elections are won and lost. If the GOP somehow manages to alienate the middle, they lose again. It's not a slam dunk.
    Which is exactly why we don't need to be concerning ourselves with Mic e Bachmann. She's not going to beat Romney or Perry (who's visiting New Hampshire btw...) and she's far too polarizing for either one of them to pick as a VP.

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    Why stop at state's rights with this? Why not county/city rights? Why not the right between a person and their physician?

    That logic just doesn't fly...
    Then I suppose you disagree with the 10th amendment entirely.

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    Which is exactly why we don't need to be concerning ourselves with Mic e Bachmann. She's not going to beat Romney or Perry (who's visiting New Hampshire btw...) and she's far too polarizing for either one of them to pick as a VP.
    Romney is dead in the water. An overwhelming number of primary voters are christians and they probably won't vote for a mormon over a christian (which is stupid). I just can't see him winning southern/plains/midwest state primaries over Bachmann.

    As for Perry v Bachmann, that will probably come down to two things: Who the tea-party supports, and who can move farther to the right. Edge, Bachmann

    Florida, as always, will be key. Who wins that primary wins the nomination, imo. (who will Rubio support?)

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    Perry v Bachman is a complete mismatch. She's no threat to him whatsoever.

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