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    RJ had one year left on his contract. You can be 100% sure he didn't opt out of $15 million w/o anything from the Spurs saying they'd sign him back. He and his agent aren't that stupid. I know that because he opted out people started to come up with fantasies of "why did the Spurs sign him back" but it was 100% pre-agreed before he opted out, no other way around it.
    I wouldn't be so sure about that. If that were the case they would have signed him back up right away but that did not happen. It was weeks before they signed him back up. RJ tested the waters and so did the Spurs, neither RJ or the Spurs were able to get suitable alternatives. It was more of an open agreement that RJ could leave if he had another offer from another team or if the Spurs could land a starting SF but that didn't happen.

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    I wouldn't be so sure about that. If that were the case they would have signed him back up right away but that did not happen. It was weeks before they signed him back up. RJ tested the waters and so did the Spurs, neither RJ or the Spurs were able to get suitable alternatives. It was more of an open agreement that RJ could leave if he had another offer form another team but that didn't happen.
    So the Spurs said they would sign him back if he opted out.

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    RT @Preine_PtR: RT @IamaGM Jazz offered Devin Harris and No. 12 pick to Spurs for Tony Parker
    I'd counter with Harris, Favors and 12th for Parker and Blair.

    But would ultimately settle for Harris/Favors for Parker.

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    RT @Preine_PtR: RT @IamaGM Jazz offered Devin Harris and No. 12 pick to Spurs for Tony Parker


    Dunno which is worse...... Casspi +7 or Harris +12.....

    At least Harris is a PG.

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    So the Spurs said they would sign him back if he opted out.
    Thats what some are saying to get his contract restuctured to be able to sign splitter.

    RJ was the last option after the Spurs could not get another SF and he was still available. RJ even stated he would be better off on another team before he opted out but nobody came calling.

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    Thats what some are saying to get his contract restuctured to be able to sign splitter.

    RJ was the last option after the Spurs could not get another SF and he was still available. RJ even stated he would be better off on another team before he opted out but nobody came calling.
    The years and money on the contract don't agree with your theory.

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    Thats what some are saying to get his contract restuctured to be able to sign splitter.

    RJ was the last option after the Spurs could not get another SF and he was still available. RJ even stated he would be better off on another team before he opted out but nobody came calling.
    Wrong.

    willspurs and Chump are right.

    It was a pre-arranged deal. Everything else you hear about him "considering" New Jersey as a destination was all smoke and mirrors so Spurs didn't get investigated for making a pre-arranged deal.

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    Definitely not ideal, but IMO, that beats the out of Parker for the 7th pick. Harris is definitely a starting caliber PG. Who else do the Jazz have that could sweeten the trade a little bit? Maybe expand it out to include some of our other movable pieces.

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    I'd counter with Harris, Favors and 12th for Parker and Blair.

    But would ultimately settle for Harris/Favors for Parker.
    As a resident of Salt Lake City, I can tell you that they're not going to trade Favors. Of all their young pieces, I think he's the one they're most in love with. Millsap would be relatively easy to pry from them, and I think you could manage to get Al Jefferson away from them if you tried. But, at least from what I've seen/heard, Favors is probably out of the question.

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    Wrong.

    willspurs and Chump are right.

    It was a pre-arranged deal. Everything else you hear about him "considering" New Jersey as a destination was all smoke and mirrors so Spurs didn't get investigated for making a pre-arranged deal.
    That's just speculation on your part.
    How do you know.

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    That's just speculation on your part.
    How do you know.
    Common sense.

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    That's just speculation on your part.
    How do you know.
    The actual contract.

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    The actual contract.
    Which ties to common sense.

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    With all these rumors, I'm starting to think the front office is going to actually pull the trigger on a TP trade. Unfortunately, I think it's going to be in an RJ salary dump trade -- which lessen what the Spurs will be able to get out of the trade. I have a bad feeling that the front office is about to do a trade that will kill any chance of contending next season.

    Then again, the Spurs have never traded up in the first round in the 22387234 years Pop has been in charge. And TP trade rumors have swirled for as long as TP has worn the silver and black. So perhaps this is just a bunch of smoke and no fire.

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    Man, RJ has done nothing for this team...seriously...

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    It would be unforgivable to dump TP to soley get rid of RJ.

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    Would this be the first time in NBA history that a 61 wins team has traded it's best player the following season?

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    I cant see the FO doing that w/o talking to Tim. If they make a move, they will do it with trying to win in mind hopefully although it's hard to see how.

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    So no one believes that they can trade Parker and still be a contender for next season? While trading him does show a sign of rebuilding, I don't necessarily believe that they must go all out and revamp the whole team. It could be rebuilding just for having security in a couple seasons.

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    Would this be the first time in NBA history that a 61 wins team has traded it's best player the following season?
    and most likely for a bag of peanuts, too.

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    So no one believes that they can trade Parker and still be a contender for next season? While trading him does show a sign of rebuilding, I don't necessarily believe that they must go all out and revamp the whole team. It could be rebuilding just for having security in a couple seasons.
    I have yet to see a trade scenario that would put the Spurs in a better position to contend than they were in last year. Especially if they are insisting any trade partner take on RJ as well.

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    If they trade Parker they HAVE to completely blow up the team. They'll have no point guard and might as well move Ginobili. Tim I could never trade even if Miami offered LeBron. Unless Tim asked for a trade, in which case I'd send him anywhere feasible that he wanted. It'll really suck if they move TP and have no 2012 season to tank, thus ending up with #29 again and now no way to move up into the top 10 when there is a great draft.

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    It would be unforgivable to dump TP to soley get rid of RJ.
    Without question.

    Say you get rid of Tony and RJ and create significant cap space for the summer of 2012 or 2013.

    What big name free agents would sign here? Zero!

    Therefore the Spurs would essentially be getting rid of Tony now to sign a middle tier free agent (another RJ) in the summer of 2012 or 2013.

    Spurs should just try to trade RJ for another bad contract (Hedo/Marvin Williams) before using the best trading asset to get back a pile of and future cap space.

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    BONUS TRADE: Phoenix trades Steve Nash (50 cents), Jared Dudley (25 cents), and Josh Childress (minus-25 cents) to San Antonio for Tony Parker (50 cents) and Richard Jefferson (dime). Final tally: San Antonio (50 cents), Phoenix (60 cents).

    One of my favorite fake trades ever. Phoenix HAS to do it: It's the best Nash trade the Suns could make, not just for what they're getting back (an All-Star point guard who's eight years younger), but because they're dumping Childress' contract ($27 million over the next four seasons) and giving Nash a legitimate chance to win (which he deserves).

    As for San Antonio, the 2011 Mavericks just taught us something: You never know with a veteran contender. Why couldn't the Spurs make one last run? What if they were meant to have Dallas' run of destiny this spring, only Ginobili's elbow and a bad playoff draw (Memphis in Round 1) conspired to sink them? The Spurs would acquire two warriors in this trade: Nash and Dudley, both fantastic chemistry guys who have proven themselves in pressure situations. They'd be dumping Parker's bad karma and replacing it with the good karma of Nash and Duncan chasing a ring together. They'd be clearing cap space short-term ($2.1 million next season) and long-term (Jefferson makes $10.3 million more than Childress over the next three seasons). And they'd be giving Nash one last chance to pull a Jason Kidd and reinvent the end of his career with a ring. I love this trade. And on that note, T.M. Picasso has left the building. Er, studio.
    http://http://www.grantland.com/stor...ure#footer-nav

    Not happening but I like it. An extension of a trade I mentioned earlier.

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