I have no problem with that. Dirk simply is not as good as MJ. Not many people ever has been.So glug...glug....if MJ s on Kobe at 6>5 what does he do to Dirk....Scat in his mouth...
there's only been one to be compared to and actually have the opportunity to bypass him and it's the toilet seat guy....I have no problem with that. Dirk simply is not as good as MJ. Not many people ever has been.
My point is if 6>5 means getting ted on what does 5>1 mean?
Gasol will most definitely make the HoF, no question. He has been a top 3 big man in the league for the last few years.So you steal A.I but won't give me Reggie Miller....you're argument is as softcake as you are....and no...right now Gasol is not a HOF and like i said he's barely an All-Star....this should be irrefutable to those of us with right minds.
Miller's prime pretty much ended in 01, so having him as Kobe's compe ion doesn't really help too much, as there is very little overlap in the two players' prime.
AI started to play in 96, and he played well right away, so he does have a 3 year overlap with MJ's prime.
If Kobe came into the league in 96 and Millers prime end in 01 then what are we talking...Apples to Apples or Apples to Orange Juice...
you seem like a genuinely stupid guy...but no disrespect...
It has to do with the integrity of the league and controls of the league, not with MJ.gotdam homie...you have the comprehension skills of a gnat. the fact that Refs were bringing Ho's to MJ's hotel room regardless of his marital status is a huge ing question mark as for integrity. Pussy is sacred and special
What, you think MJ trying to get favours from the league for asking refs to pimp for him?
Kobe didn't start hitting his prime until at least 00, some would argue 01 or 99. Now I do know you slurp off of Kobe quite a bit, but please don't tell me how his 7.6 ppg in 96 would make him the greatest SG in the history of the league.
fyi- The word stupid in Hebrew implies being insensible to moral truth...
your post reminds me of a pros ute ad...nothing but bait-n-switch...
So when did Prime and Productivity become synonymous....
what did Darko avg in his prime...
ahh it I'm talking to a ing idiot...
fyi- the phrase guilty by association in English implies people going witchhunt on others to prove a flawed point.
I wouldn't call Reggie Miller Kobe's compe ion since they have very little overlap in their primes. When did I ever mention productivity?your post reminds me of a pros ute ad...nothing but bait-n-switch...
So when did Prime and Productivity become synonymous....
what did Darko avg in his prime...
ahh it I'm talking to a ing idiot...
flawed point or not you're going to be ed up after the hunt is over....
you posted Kobe's rookie numbers..gotdam listen to yourself man...and I wouldn't call A.I and MJ 'prime' compe ors either...but fact is Kobe played Miller in the finals...
You keep acting as if I'm trying to compare Kobe and MJ, or discredit MJ. I'm not. I don't. I am a big fan of both players. And you keep bringing Dirk into the conversation, and I have never even mentioned him, and don't care to.there's only been one to be compared to and actually have the opportunity to bypass him and it's the toilet seat guy....
My point is if 6>5 means getting ted on what does 5>1 mean?
You keep making points that have no point.
Explain ...
And this is what my first response was:
So it seems we were talking about compe ion all along, not sure when productivity comes in. You were talking about something a gnat?Gasol barely an allstar? Which planet did you live on? Gasol is a sure fire HoFer, there is no question about that.First off remove Hakeem and Shaq from the list of MJ's compe on....or if you don't want to do that then let's go based on relative or similar player position....
In the 80's, MJ was Kevin Garnett, he couldn't pass the first round of the playoffs. When Bird, Magic, and the Pistons got old and begin to hang it up, then and only then did MJ begin to win. In the 90’s he played against pretty empty teams, those which pretty much had one superstar, and that was it. Conversely Kobe lost to a team with multiple HOF’s and All-stars but he also beat that same team in Boston. MJ never did that because he flamed out in the 80's when he had his chance...
Let’s look at MJ’s compe ion at either guard position during his prime... His prime era was lacking with the exception of 3 players it was relatively light if you ask me. He also faced pretty much weak 1:1 defenders on a nightly basis. He was a better defender by virtue of playing inferior players. If Kobe had to defend MJ’s compe ion of the 90’s he’d be in a constant wet state.
John Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Gary Payton, Reggie Miller, Dominique Wilkens, Kevin Johnson, Tom Chambers, Rolondo Blackman, Fat Lever, Chris Mullin, Hersey Hawkins, Ricky Pierce, Alvin Robertson, Clyde Drexler, Jeff Hornacek, Dan Majerele, Terry Porter, Sean , Kenny Anderson, Mark Price, John Starks, Mookie Blaylock, Mitch Richmond, Glen Rice, Terrell Brandon, Christian Laettner, Steve Smith, Kenny Smith, Bobby Phils, Craig Ehlo, Muggsy Bouges etc etc…
Kobe has always dealt with compe ion at the guard spot on both ends of the ball all the ing time…
Offensive side: Reggie Miller, Allen Iverson, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, T-MAC, Vince Carter, Michael Redd, Jason Kidd, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Lebron James, Kevin Durant, Paul Pierece, Ray Allen, Derick Rose, Steve Nash, Russell Westbrook, Rondo, Monta Ellis, Mike Bibby, Joe Johnson, Mike Finley, CP3, Baron Davis, etc etc
Defensive side "Kobe Stoppers"
I dare anyone to make a case that MJ’s compe ion was stiffer than what Kobe faces on both sides of the ball. So in conclusion the only time MJ had to work hard was during the 80’s in which he flamed out., repeatedly. The Western conference has been very strong for the last decade + with the Mavericks (10 straight 50 + wins), the Spur le yrs, and the Wylie Coyote Suns, along with the Blazers/ Kings in the earlier part of the decade.
MJ- One of the greatest ever, ok fine but “The greatest ever”, hands down? No. He;s not the greatest scorer (a Laker is - Kareem) He’s not the greatest stats guy ( a Laker is Wilt) and he’s not the greatest ring bearer ( a Celtic is – Bill Russell) MJ is called the best because during the 90’s basketball was boring and he brought excitement back to it as it was fading. That’s it and that’s all.
The biggest difference between Kobe & MJ is that Kobe was able to win without another Hall of Famer playing alongside him. MJ couldn't do squat without Pippen, and Kobe went back 2 back without Shaq, and Gasol isn't even a HOF's and barely an All-Star... This should put an end to it all really...
as for compe ion:
Wade, Iverson, Carter, T-Mac, Ray Allen, Stackhouse, Bowen, Finley, Houston, Eddie Jones, Spree, Payton, Francis, Pierce, Artest, Redd, Ginobili, Arenas, Hamilton, Joe Johnson.
Drexler, Iverson, Richmond, Dumars, Blackman, Gervin, Moncrief, Jeff Malone, Lever, Alvin Robertson, Miller, Hornacek, Marjele, Starks, Payton, Sprewell, Penny, Hill, Rice, Eddie Jones, Finley, Houston.
I would say they are similar. On top of that, the rule changes that make the game a more perimeter friendly game has certainly enhanced some of the production of the players in the 00s.
Since when did I say that has anything to do with productivity, it only has to do with demonstrating 96-97 was not Kobe's prime. I am not sure how you ran into that conclusion, perhaps you were too butthurt by someone posting less than stellar numbers of Kobe's rookie season?
Kobe played Miller in the finals, so? Kidd played Wade in the finals too, I wouldn't say the two are necessarily prime compe ors. AI had a 3 year lap with MJ in their respective primes.
He did mention bait and switch though, so he may be on to something.
And Dirk > Kobe tbh. Dirk destroyed Kobe in their lone face to face match in the playoffs, and that's all it counts.
ok...let me try this again dumbass...when you posted Kobe's rookie numbers it's a direct correlation to productivity...it's measurable and quantifiable...in the sub context of the compe ion argument I originally posted you could subtly imply productivity as well by simple virtue of those players ultimately being great compe ion because of their stats...but my main point or argument wasn't numbers focused you tied in numbers to try and prove an argument that I quickly shot down which was A.I was not prime compe ion to MJ more so for Kobe...reality is Kobe played against both Miller and A.I in the NBA finals...so you lose this argument DAWG!!!
Dirk and Duncan Combined might equal Kobe...
here is what the facts show:
Kobe 5
Duncan and Dirk 5
here is what the facts show:
Horry 6
Kobe 5
the old and feeble minded tend to think in linear terms...
Kobe might not be the best player in the league anymore, but he sure is the most talked about.
Kobe is still stupid good. While I'm not sure he is the best anymore, he is still the most versatile and skilled offensive player in the league.Kobe might not be the best player in the league anymore, but he sure is the most talked about.
Horry has 7
u mad
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