Pacers have traded this pick to the Spurs for George Hill sources say

[Doe]

Going to miss Hill even though he was a love/hate player for me. Hope he blossoms in Indiana. Don't know a thing about any of these players, but with RC's track record I certainly can't question them

[JR3]

I'm actually surprised how consensual this trade is for most Spurs fans.

Spurs aren't rebuilding because their trading away their best young player and are keeping their veterans core.

They're also not improving for next year. They get a rookie who can't shoot, and even if he's a decent defender he will certainly not be able to guard at NBA level in his first year, and yet we have people proclaiming him as Bruce Bowen Jr.

If there was a thing the Spurs lacked was someone outside the big 3 who could perform in the playoffs. Hill was the only guy, now we have no one.

Basically the Spurs don't improve for next year, but also don't make a move for rebuilding.

I disagree.. Hill has not had any balls in the playoffs... its the one reason I am not sad to see him go. I liked him, but he was too inconsistent. He was a late pick and we just got a lottery pick and second rounder plus for him. Not a bad trade at all. Time will tell more, but its hard to call that a bad trade.

[NRHector]

Which will come in handy with all the clanks.

especially if Bonner is shooting

[Russo21]

especially if Bonner is shooting

[NRHector]

I disagree.. Hill has not had any balls in the playoffs... its the one reason I am not sad to see him go. I liked him, but he was too inconsistent. He was a late pick and we just got a lottery pick and second rounder plus for him. Not a bad trade at all. Time will tell more, but its hard to call that a bad trade.

really? RJ and Bonner have some?

[ducks]

But is Parker 13 million dollars better then George Hill?

hill is wanting a big contract next year
trading him for something is better then letting him walk for nothing

[Hoops Czar]

Spurs have plenty of shooters...or would you rather just run and gun again like last year and get axed in the first round again?

Yeah, shooters that die in the clutch. Leonard won't see the court during the regular season let alone the playoffs. By the time he sees the court regularly, you won't have to worry about getting bounced in the first round. The Spurs will be playing the role of spoilers.

[pawe]

They really should have traded tony instead of george hill for kahwi leonard. we would have saved heaps of cash and kept george as our starting PG: when parker was injured last year and hill started we beat the mavs in the playoffs. But parker earns like 13 million dollars more.

But is Parker 13 million dollars better then George Hill?

sigh these GNSFs....

You want the FO to trade TP, a vet pg who knows the spurs' system like the back of his hand just for draft picks?
TP can be a cornerstone for a franchise and a finals MVP, Hill is not. Hill is not even a PG. TP deserves his money whether he's trade bait or not.

[Russo21]

Not a 13 million dollar contract though ducks

[benefactor]

He might not...but I don't see the Spurs as contenders anymore anyway. Hill was expendable because his rookie deal was going to run out and the Spurs needed to trade him while his value was high. It's a risk, but a risk in the right direction IMO.

[FkLA]

I disagree.. Hill has not had any balls in the playoffs... its the one reason I am not sad to see him go. I liked him, but he was too inconsistent. He was a late pick and we just got a lottery pick and second rounder plus for him. Not a bad trade at all. Time will tell more, but its hard to call that a bad trade.

Your missing his point entirely.

TP can be a cornerstone for a franchise and a finals MVP, Hill is not. Hill is not even a PG. TP deserves his money whether he's trade bait or not.

[Kori Ellis]

Nicely put.

Im not too surprised by the consensus though, most of them are so enamored with Parker theyre just glad this ensures he isnt going anywhere. For alot of Spur fans its the player before the team it seems.

Maybe it's not that. Maybe most people (including Spurs brass) actually think that Parker is a far better option than Hill as a starting point guard. You, TJastal, etc were so dead sure that the Spurs were grooming Hill as the starting PG when they weren't. They gave up that idea awhile ago when Hill wasn't showing the type of improvement that they wanted. They didn't write off Parker after one bad playoff series. The Spurs weren't shopping Parker this week. Teams were approaching them about Parker, and they were basically saying that they weren't dealing Parker (or Manu) unless it was an amazing deal that also got rid of RJ.

Hill wasn't worth keeping around for the Spurs because they weren't going to pay him to be the backup SG next year. He will probably flourish in Indy. Good luck to him.

[Spursfanfromafar]

Maybe it's not that. Maybe most people (including Spurs brass) actually think that Parker is a far better option than Hill as a starting point guard. You, TJastal, etc were so dead sure that the Spurs were grooming Hill as the starting PG when they weren't. They gave up that idea awhile ago when Hill wasn't showing the type of improvement that they wanted. They didn't write off Parker after one bad playoff series. The Spurs weren't shopping Parker this week. Teams were approaching them about Parker, and they were basically saying that they weren't dealing Parker (or Manu) unless it was an amazing deal that also got rid of RJ.

Hill wasn't worth keeping around for the Spurs because they weren't going to pay him to be the backup SG next year. He will probably flourish in Indy. Good luck to him.

, +1

[Russo21]

Pawe you can say that cause it isn't your money being spent. Peter Holt is one of the 'poorest' owners in the NBA.

And no i wasnt saying i wanted them to trade TP for picks at all. A big or a good SF maybe. I didnt say i wanted him gone for picks at all

[JsnSA]

I like George Hill. I really do. But I felt he was very inconsistent last year. He never seemed to play well on the road and most of the season he was just kind of there. He never had the breakout season that most of us expected from him.

From what I saw last year there is no way he is ready to replace Tony as our starting PG. I really think this trade will benefit both the Spurs and George. I am not sure why he was so average this season but I get the feeling that on the Pacers he will have more of an opportunity to step up and help lead the team. And with Kawhi Leonard we will get some added defensive play that is much needed on this team.

My only concern is that Kawhi will actually show some promise next season yet Pop will refuse to play him for some reason only he can fathom.

[anakha]

Finally, some sanity in this thread.

[ElNono]

Yeah, shooters that die in the clutch. Leonard won't see the court during the regular season let alone the playoffs. By the time he sees the court regularly, you won't have to worry about getting bounced in the first round. The Spurs will be playing the role of spoilers.

Step back from the ledge. This was a weak draft, and all things considered the Spurs did pretty good. At least they have a couple of prospects they can work on that value playing defense. The Spurs might not contend next season, but having Hill or not doesn't change that. We were loaded at the 2 spot, and very thin at SF. This trade allows the team to gain some balance, get younger and get a couple of defensive-minded players. Plus there was a real chance that Hill could've walked out for nothing after next season.

[Hoops Czar]

He might not...but I don't see the Spurs as contenders anymore anyway. Hill was expendable because his rookie deal was going to run out and the Spurs needed to trade him while his value was high. It's a risk, but a risk in the right direction IMO.

Which is my point. Hill had value and their was no need to rush into a trade now when he could have been shipped at the deadline for proven talent. This was a waste of a trade and now the Spurs have no way to improve the team going forward.

[benefactor]

lol Spurfan. You want a long, defensive-minded SF for years and when they roll the dice on one all you can do is nitpick.

[ElNono]

Which is my point. Hill had value and their was no need to rush into a trade now when he could have been shipped at the deadline for proven talent. This was a waste of a trade and now the Spurs have no way to improve the team going forward.

What proven talent are you getting for $2m???

[benefactor]

Which is my point. Hill had value and their was no need to rush into a trade now when he could have been shipped at the deadline for proven talent. This was a waste of a trade and now the Spurs have no way to improve the team going forward.

That value could have decreased by the deadline too.

As I said, it's a calculated risk...one I am comfortable with if it means getting better defensively.

[ducks]

Not a 13 million dollar contract though ducks

parker has a good contract

[pgardn]

Ginobili is a better PG than Hill. We shorten our rotation with Neal being the 3rd guard. Hill CANNOT handle any sort of pressure with the ball. Hill plays good D when his head is right but he also makes some horrible mistakes rotating and losing focus.

Personally glad Parker remains.

[ElNono]

Personally glad Parker remains.

I don't think Parker is off the hook yet if some team comes around and is willing to eat RJ's contract to get him. The thing is, the prospect of that happening seems fairly low at the moment.

[jjktkk]

Which is my point. Hill had value and their was no need to rush into a trade now when he could have been shipped at the deadline for proven talent. This was a waste of a trade and now the Spurs have no way to improve the team going forward.

Like what proven talent? Your overvaluing Hill.