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jjktkk: wicked vid of timmeh blocking bynum!! That was awesome live i nearly jumped out of my seat with that play lol
I was hoping things would work out for Hill in SA. But after last season, seeing him still inconsistent, especially on the road, I had a feeling he has met his ceiling in SA. I hope he flourishes in Indiana and plays well, just not when he's playing us.
jjktkk: wicked vid of timmeh blocking bynum!! That was awesome live i nearly jumped out of my seat with that play lol
Absolutely love this trade. There was no way we could have shipped out Tony unless we got another star big man in return. Sadly, almost every trade possibility I saw was for another decent PG, and random pieces, it just wasn't going to be worth it. Hill also was simply not going to be able to be a starting point guard on this team. The only valid reason to trade a pg like Tony would have been to get a very solid big man, and go back to getting a nonathletic pg who could just simply run the offense. I love that we picked up this freak of nature, and the upside seems very, very good.
Also gives Anderson a chance to play his natural position more (2) and then leaves Kawhi as the 3.
I'm not a Hill homer by any means but going back to the last playoff round victory the Spurs had he was the one who stepped up aside from the big 3 and made the team win.
What bothers me about the trade is that he doesn't lead us to nowhere. It doesn't indicate rebuilding and it also doesn't make us better for the near future.
I didn't want TP traded for a bag of peanuts like many here, but in my view it was either break the big 3 and go for rebuilding now or keep the best players and go for one last try. They didn't did the first one and while the second it's still theoretically possible it just got a lot harder after dealing their best player outside the big 3.
I never said Hill was a better PG than Parker. I said Hill was more than capable of taking over the reins, and that the Spurs performance didnt suffer much when Parker was injured and he started. The notion that the Spurs as a team would be a disaster with Hill running the point had no basis from the sample size we had.
Parker had enough value to net us a player that might make an immediate impact and give us one last run next year. Hill didnt have that value, which is why we ended up with a player who might turn out to be good...but likely wont have much of an impact his rookie season. The only way you celebrate this trade is if youre ready to rebuild. I wasnt ready to so Im disgusted by it.
Listen, Im glad you do know this is a business. And since this is a business, the FO will not trade TP/Manu if the other team is not willing to absorb RJ's contract too.
What are they trying to accomplish by trading just TP without the poor performing highly paid RJ tagging along, right?
So far i like the deal...i will hold back final judgement until i see him with my own eyes on the court...some are concerned w/his lack of shooting ability but that can be improved with hard work. I have been wanting a player similar to Ginobili and this is why i like the deal. By similar i mean he has a motor that runs constantly. He can't shoot but he can defend, handle the rock and finish around the basket w/ a 7 footers wingspan...An opposing coach said he is a special player simply because you rarely see a motor that high strung in guys w/his size and athleticism...its usually seen only in little guards (JJ Barea)...it may sound silly but i became very optimistic when i read this because that sounds like a game changer to me...energy....constant, relentless energy. I'll keep my fingers crossed
I was all in on Hill and Blair for Love. It might have been more costly, but it gives them an inside presence when Duncan retires after this season.
Who knows what would have opened up at this years deadline.
Hopefully off the hook for a bad draft choice though.
I look at it this way. Hill for Leonard/Joseph. I'm flipping Bertans for Joseph since I think Spurs chose to gamble that way after having the extra pick. A great trade especially since Hill likely would have been gone after next season.
I really don't see how some people are so sure we won't contend next season. As long as Manu's play does not drop off drastically (which is a possibility due to age/injury) I think we have a very good shot.
Tony will be just as good and hopefully will have a chip on his shoulder due to the All-Star snub and poor playoff performance. Splitter will have a camp under his belt and will be better integrated into the Spurs system. Splitter will be better. Neil will be better. Blair hopefully will be better? That might go either way. But at the very least he should be as good as he has been. Anderson should get some run as well. Tim will lose another step but he will still be a sold big man though not the Tim Duncan we are used to.
I really didn't feel like Hill did anything last year to make me think the Spurs will be hurting without him next year. Considering we had the best record in the west last season I see no reason whey we would not end up among the top half of the western bracket this time.
I just want to see us play RJ and Bonner more then if they go on any sort of hot streak (Bonner does every year) we should trade them for whatever the we can get. Anything..just to get rid of them.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/stor...2011-nba-draft
Ouch. They didn't even review anyone other than the Bobcats and the Cavs, yet bother to lob an opinion on the Spurs.
Spurs FO has proven the naysayers wrong more than the naysayers have proved the Spurs FO wrong. So I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.
True that. There is no point trading tony without RJ included. I can't remember who the trade was for... But i woke up this morning and read that some other team rejected a parker trade because the spurs insisted on RJ being included in the deal
You're just trolling, right?
Awful article, "cap-friendly" George Hill? This guy has no idea what he's talking about.
good trade for Indy as well. I'd continue to explore what i'd get for Granger and you got a nice young team that can do some damage in the East
Collison
Hill
Granger/George
Hansborough
Hibbert
they're better than they were last year and they were an 8th seed....
think it was spurs and blazers
parker, RJ and #29
for
Batum, Miller and #21
But RJ's contract screwed that deal over
(which is crap cause the blazers owner is a freakin mega billionaire)
It's a combo of not seeing a true direction from the front office right now along with people liking Hill personally.
Also, RJs is still on this roster as well so that sucks.
I agree. If I can't watch him with the Spurs, then I'm glad he's back here in Indy.
We need to get bigger inside. Every indication is that Pop won't play TD and Splitter together. That means we're going to be rolling out with TD/Blair (or Bonner) and Splitter/Bonner (or Blair).
On the perimeter, I expect RJ to get the bulk of the minutes at SF. Leonard might be his backup (if he doesn't miss training camp).
IMO, in order to have a shot the Spurs need at least to improve in two areas: First, one of Bonner or Blair has to go and we need a guy with size coming in. I still think the Spurs can make a move with one of those two and Dice's contract and pull it off. Second, we need to find a way to move Richard. Even if we get an older guy on a relatively contract, and we need to send money and some 2nd round picks to get it done. Richard just doesn't fit. Everybody knows he doesn't fit here. You bring somebody else and there's the odd chance that he might find a niche or be able to help somehow. Keeping RJ is accepting we're dead in the water there. It helps to have Leonard in that he should have a legitimate opportunity to develop playing the backup minutes, plus you don't sacrifice size or having to play somebody else out of position.
You don't think the Spurs could use a player like Leonard?
The direction is trying to contend, while also getting younger. Theres still free agency, so I'm sure we won't see the finished product till November.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=6e3t4qf
something like that woulda been nice. jefferson would thrive playing alongside chris paul in new orleans.
Spurs perimeter defense would have been light years better then it was this passed year
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