You're talking about the Spurs trading Tony (and seemingly more players) once Duncan retires. In order to do that they need to take in just as much in salaries. At least for one season (provided they're getting back all expiring contracts). So Tony, or the value of his contract isn't coming off the book when Duncan walks. There's no such thing as a 'package deal'.
If you don't understand how the CBA works, just say so.
Not for Blair/Hill type of talent.
No, he's a bargain because there's a salary cap, and you have to fill your roster with that monetary limit. And you have to have a roster with enough players on each position that allows you to have a compe ive team. I don't know if Splitter will evolve into anything more than the 3rd/4th big in the team. The point is that most 3rd/4th bigs in this league make more money than that (excluding rookie scale contracts), especially young 7 footers that still have a good chunk of their career ahead of them.
Bargnani is among the worst number 1 picks in recent NBA history. He's a 7 footer that can barely grab 5 boards a game, soft, terrible defender, and in 5 seasons has yet to play 82 games.
I don't know if Splitter will ever be better or not than him, especially since he's never going to be the focal point of the offense inside as long as Duncan is around. The point is, big man are hard to find, and are normally pretty expensive. That's what I was trying to illustrate.
Last edited by ElNono; 06-24-2011 at 03:15 AM.
Exactly. It happened to be George because Indiana was interested and his salary matched the value Indiana wanted for the picks.
It might be unlikely. But to have a shot at the possibility that they might bring more, you have to make the move. I'm also not sold that Tony is scot-free yet. I still think that if somebody wants to take him alongside RJ, the Spurs might oblige. I also think the Spurs will use the Dice contract to try to get more talent at other positions.
21PPG says hi.
22 wins says o.
This is obviously a great trade. Hill is a decent player, he could even be a starter in the right situation (which he might actually find in Indiana), but he was definitely expendable on the current Spurs roster, and since he couldn't be overpaid due to the next CBA, he was likely to be cut.
It's a win-win for both sides. The Spurs finally do something to draft a defensive minded 3. Granted, he might not pan out to the savior, but no risk, no glory. The Spurs also get the rights to 2 promising players in the deal.
Hill goes home, where he can get a larger fanbase, more endorsements, and a nice fat contract. He gets to play for a team that's going in the right direction.
Bird/Pacers get a player they always wanted to have on their roster, with a good chance of being able to sign him long term if they want to.
Only 2 persons don't like this move: the 2 members of the San Antonio chapter of the Church of George Hill. Surprise surprise.
(by the way, it looks like George Hill will be parting ways with the Spurs... just saying)
Its all semantics as far as I'm concerned. The package deal is a metaphor. When Duncan retires, the Spurs will work hard to trade Parker and they will find plenty of suitors. If you don't understand satire, just say so. Duncan's retirement signifies the end of an era and with or without Parker, the Spurs aren't contenders. Non-contenders don't like to haul around $50 million dollar contracts on their roster.
Not Necessarily. If Kahn doesn't see Love as a player he can keep, he won't think twice about shopping him. Other teams would certainly show interest but most contenders might shy away because he hasn't shown the ability to raise his game to the next level to create more of a winning atmosphere in Minny. The Spurs could have paired Love with Duncan and given them that rebounding presence they soarly missed in the post season. It might have prolonged Duncan's career beyond next year. But now, I see no reason for Duncan to continue to grind it out a few seasons and beyond with the team out of contention.
Along those lines, I would say Mahimni was even a bigger steal last year. Talk about a bargain buster. A player who never played, but came cheaper than most 3rd/4th bigs and helped the Spurs fill out the roster and field a compe ive team.
What a bunch of malarkey. Bargnani is 25 years old and has steadily gotten better each season. He averaged over 21 ppg in 2011 and Splitter isn't exactly a picture of health himself. Its tough to get rebounds when your constantly playing on the perimeter. Both players have flaws but Barg is the better player.
I can't take you serious when you make silly comparisons like this even if its in aggregate. Splitter struggles to compete on the court against backups. Even when Duncan retires and with increased playing time, I sincerely doubt Splitter will ever be the focal point of the offense.
And bigs aren't hard to find. Quality bigs are hard to find.
Seriously? Blair and Hill for Love?
I thought you said quality bigs were hard to find.
They also got Erazem Lorbek who is a top 5 center in Europe.
and how long do we have to wait for him to come over? i hate the waiting game
javtokas, scola, splitter, now this clown...
we need BIGs to help duncan man down low which is not going to be addressed with bonner and blair...
I'm glad he's not coming over now.and how long do we have to wait for him to come over? i hate the waiting game
javtokas, scola, splitter, now this clown...
we need BIGs to help duncan man down low which is not going to be addressed with bonner and blair...
Well the Spurs should call him, I'm sure he'd like to play in the NBA cause he said so.and how long do we have to wait for him to come over? i hate the waiting game
javtokas, scola, splitter, now this clown...
we need BIGs to help duncan man down low which is not going to be addressed with bonner and blair...
With Gary Neal's emergence and James Anderson's potential, Hill became expendable. I'm not angry at this. But I do appreciate everything George did here. I hope he reaches his full potential in Indiana. Class act, hard worker
Hill is better than Neal or Anderson.Expendable? Anderson or Neal were more expendable to me.
We'll see what happens.Indy has too many weapons so Hill is not going to improve his numbers but he has the potencial to do it.
I don't like this move at all.We are going to be slower in the backcourt.Hill wasn't the best defensive guard of the league but now we are even worse.
Just a few more points then I'm done with this for a little while:
1) How I come off? How about how everyone comes off? I actually discuss basketball on a regular basis unlike guys like Chump who's only goal is pick petty arguments on semantics and has hardly any well thought out ideas or opinions of his own. Manny, you, much like many others, can come off condescending as he'll quite often. Just like with the first thing you said about me in this thread, you completely missed the boat on what I said and meant. You took one obscure thing and tried to piece that together while ignoring all my other posts on the subject.
2) The FO can make massive mistakes and obviously not see them when sometimes fans do (RJ contract for example) so it's kind of dumb to keep throwing around the "lol Internet GM" stuff. Of course we don't know more than them, but that doesn't mean posters haven't been right about things. I can understand scoffing someone that just es or is a homer, but when people make legit arguments it's lame (it's mostly Chump that does it) to pick an argument over semantics and then having no real opinion of your own.
2) Again, it's like people have never been around basketball or ST ever. Just because someone is questioning something to a certain degree (in this case the Hill trade and what direction that leads to) doesn't mean they hate. There are logical arguments to be made both ways and when you so fiercely defend something or scoff something that just happened, you leave no wiggle room. In most cases no one is 100% right with their inintial assessment, but most try and act like it. He'll I've done that. But I'm learning how it likely makes you look rash.
3) I don't get the whole "I can't see how people don't see this as helping to rebuild...and we got a lottery pick for Hill" thing. First off, does Hill not help you rebuild as much as any other young guy? It's not like the Spurs dumped an aging vet for Leonard, they dumped a young asset. I fully understand the logic of the contract and log jam reasoning and I never complained about the trade. I am not in love with it, but not fully being on board or not seeing the big picture does not equal hate. Also, the "we got a lottery pick" argument, while true, doesn't really hold weight IMO. It's an awful draft where people adjust that 15th pick to hold a value of a mid-20's pick in a normal draft. I also dont care where guys are drafted because it doesn't guarantee anything. All that matters is can you play and we will find that part out.
Last edited by DPG21920; 06-24-2011 at 09:33 AM.
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I would say he's not a top10
To me he's not a top5 in the spanish league.Even i would say he's not the best center of his team.
Anyway top5 or top10 imo he's not an nba caliber player.He has talent to score in the paint,great moves in the paint but he's pretty soft and mentally he's out of the game easily.
Imo Anderson has a higher potential as a defensive 2-guard 1) because he is 3-4 inches taller and has a better standing reach by around 5 inches and 2) he seems to move his feet better laterally. George was always over rated defensivly due to his long arms ..but he had real trouble movong sideways and struggled to manouvre around screens and stay in front of people. Plus he is just too small to height wise and weight wise to guard legit 2's if you want to have a good defensive team.. it just creates too many easy opportunities for any opposition with a decent 2.
The Spurs will miss his ability to get to the FT line and put pressure on the defense consistently.. So hopefully JA can do that a little bit.
I was ment to quote josepatches post.. on iphone so cbf editing it.
Yes I know there are 2 #2's but cant correct on iPhone lol
Chump knows his stuff, but he really does contribute to a poor message board in general.How I come off? How about how everyone comes off? I actually discuss basketball on a regular basis unlike guys like Chump who's only goal is pick petty arguments on semantics and has hardly any well thought out ideas or opinions of his own.
it was mainly ghill and ginoboli shooting the tech fouls, now we need to find another consistent shooter for freebies
Won't know if it's a good trade until we see them play, but I won't really miss Hill. Sucked too much on the road.
In my post where I used numbers to list, I have "2)" twice. So it goes 1,2,2,3
I'll miss ya Hill, and many ladies will miss your monstrous third arm
Maybe I didn't articulate my point well:
The trade itself is fine IMO because Hill, while very good, isn't going to turn into one of those "holy sh*t we messed up trades". So in a bubble, the trade is fine and the spurs don't really miss when it's in the lottery range (weak draft or not). We won't know if Leonard is solid until he plays but even if he's a bust it doesn't set any thing back in a major way. It will be a blow to both contending and rebuilding but not a massive one either way.
But things don't happen in a bubble so the issue is if you gave up a rotation player on a contending team for some 19 year olds that might not be ready to contribute (maybe too young) or might not get an opportunity (RJ can't be moved) then you likely stayed put or moved backwards from a contention standpoint.
I know there is time, but swapping young player for young player doesn't really send you full steam into rebuild mode while at the same time it doesn't look to help you push forward from a contention stand point.
Thats all I said about the situation. Not that I hate the trade itself, it's just that when you move a young productive rotational asset, you would like to see it clearly be on a path to accomplish something either way (rebuild or contend).
Still plenty of time to go either way, but when evaluating this draft which is what happened, there are no real answers to anything.
Say o to Neal and Anderson.
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