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Listen I'm tired of the debate guys. Please let's do the right thing and just accept this and move on. Can we agree to that. This is no troll thread I'm being honest here. Face the facts for once in your life. I respect Timmy but Timmy is no Kobe this is what history will record and why Timmy is a victim of Kobe's success. Timmy came close but still no cigar, I may be hated and loved around here but you know I'm right. I'm almost always right. 99 % of the time. Well maybe with the exception of gay marriage.
Kobe vs Duncan head to head
This is from 2000 and on...(Since 99 was a shortened season)
2001:
Lakers sweep
Kobe ave- 33ppg,7rpg, 7apg,
Duncan- 23ppg, 12rpg, 4apg,
2002:
Lakers win 4-1
Kobe-26ppg, 5.4rpg, 5apg,
Duncan- 28ppg, 17rpg, 4.8apg,
2003:
Spurs win 4-2
Kobe- 32ppg, 5rpg, 4apg,
Duncan- 28ppg, 12rpg, 4.8apg,
2004:
Lakers win in 6
Kobe- 26ppg, 6.3rpg, 6apg,
Duncan- 20ppg, 12rpg, 3apg,
2008:
Lakers win in 5
Kobe- 29ppg, 6rpg, 4apg,
Duncan: 22ppg, 17rpg, 4apg,
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In this 5 series Kobes team has won 4/5 times
Kobe has averaged 29ppg, 6rpg, 5apg in the series while Duncan has averaged 24ppg,14rpg,4apg.
Kobe has beat Duncan 4 times in the playoffs last decade, while averaging more points and assist.
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Quick facts: in his prime kobe averaged 32ppg, 9rpg, and 6apg per game verse the spurs
Kobe has more rings than duncan
(prime) Kobe is a better scorer, as well as a better passer, shooter, playmaker, clutch, than prime duncan...
Kobe overall numbers:
In 40145 minutes minutes..
27868 points
5829 rebounds
5154 assist
1653 steals
576 blocks
Tim Duncans overall numbers:
In 37733 minutes...
21663 points
12013 rebounds
3296 assist
784 steals
2381 blocks
Now take their career averages:
Kobe- 25.3ppg, 5.3rpg, 5apg, 1.5spg,.5bpg, 45% FG
Duncan-20ppg,11rpg,3apg,0.7spg,2bpg, ,50% FG
Playoff averages:
Kobe-25ppg, 5rpg,5apg
Duncan-22ppg, 12rpg,3apg
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Kobe- 7 finals, 5 rings, 1mvp, 2 finals MVP, 2 scoring les, 9 time all defensive first team, 9 time all nba first team, 14 time allstar
Duncan- 4 finals, 4 rings, 2 MVP, 3 finals MVP, 8 time all defensive first team, 9 time all nba 1st team, 13 time allstar
It's like Killakobe said Spur fan act like the NBA ended in 2007...we're still playing fellas..Wake Up and recognize...
tl;dr
I can post Kobe stats.
you forgot to account for the fact that tim never had a shaq-caliber type of player to lead the way. kome has been riding coattails for years which inflated his production.
give tim a superstar great big man, and he too would have better accolades and stats.
facts.
lol anti-gay marriage Obama lover
Of course he left off The '99 Skunker
"It doesn't count because the regular season was short and Shaq was too fat at playoff time
Of course it doesn't count when Duncan, a Power Forward/Center, beats out Kobe in the assist department. Kobe is the best player of all-time, tbh. /schtick
so kobe has only been in the leage since 2000? interesting... i thought he was drafted right outta high school....hmmm guess he did go to college...silly me...
Who is David Robinson...
and when Tim wasn't playing with a HOF bigman he was playing with one of the best point guard and 2 guards in the NBA at that time in Tony and Manu...so Tim had all the help he needed.
and another thing...those Laker teams were built around Shaq not Kobe and Kobe still dominated Duncan...Kobe's stats as 2nd option is better than Duncan's as 1st option.
Go figure.
and he had one of the best wing defenders in Bruce Bowen...Timmy's had plenty o' help
Of course he left off The '99 Skunker
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even if you throw in 99 we still dominate you guys head to head...So instead of it being 4-1 it's 4-2 whoop-tee-doo...
lol considering post-1999 Robinson a "superstar"
Take Shaq off those teams and it's easily 5-1.
I've said this before, I'll say it again. As a general rule, big men are more valuable than the smaller ones, but it's next to impossible to compare them because their play is so different. Wilt vs. MJ, Kareem vs. Magic, Tim vs. Kobe.
Kool is right, both players had plenty of help, otherwise both would be ringless with nice stats.
Even though there is a strong argument Tim is the better player, Kobe will get the nod in the history books as the better player, certainly if he keeps his ring lead. Flash is valued over substance, and pure talent for both men can not be denied.
Tim Duncan is still the only player in NBA history to win multiple les without another All-NBA teammate
Yawn...
Oh... Duncan never cried.
http://www.nba.com/spurs/news/ginobili_allnba_110512SAN ANTONIO, TX (May 12, 2011) – The NBA today announced that San Antonio Spurs guard Manu Ginobili was named to the 2010-11 All-NBA Third Team. Joining Ginobili on the third team is New Orleans guard Chris Paul, Portland forward LaMarcus Aldridge, Memphis forward Zach Randolph and Atlanta center Al Horford.
Ginobili earns his second All-NBA Third Team selection. He previously was awarded that honor for the 2007-08 season, when he became the first South American in league history to earn All-NBA recognition. This marks the 35th time in team history that a Spur has been selected to an All-NBA team, which includes 18 First Team selections, eight Second Team selections and nine Third Team selections.
and Tony Parker
lol fail
Once again, Tim Duncan is the only player in NBA history to win MULTIPLE les without an All-NBA teammate (1999 and 2003).
To clarify, I'm talking about in years in which he won a ring, not his entire career.
Not sure why you idiots keep posting in his threads but have fun I guess
2003 sure, 99' he had a capable Robinson
Doesn't make my statement any less true
It doesn't. It is a fact, playoffs are about the help around a superstar
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