Hill saw almost 20 mins a night his rookie year. Beno saw 14. We went a lot of years with no 1st round picks. Mahinmi could not play.
I agree that they will do whatever is within their power to get another PG though.
Pop will play the players he has. There's no reason for him not to play Joseph as the backup PG this year - why would he be drafted to play next year?
Leonard will play as well. So will Anderson. The Spurs need their new youth to get experience and there's only one way to get true NBA experience.
Are they going to be a contending team - NO. Will they make the playoffs - probably.
I dont think I want neal doing backup pg. I remember the failed RMJ experiment.
Phila, you're assuming Butler beats out Green for a roster spot? I don't know about that one. Personally, I give Green a slight edge.
As for Joseph, remember he's only had 1 year of college and he wasn't even the primary starter at the PG spot. With the lockout coming, I would imagine that he'll be hurt most by the lack of solid coaching and court time. I predict he'll spend a good portion of time in the D-League for some needed seasoning.
I thought they have a couple year un-guaranteed contract for butler? I mean I don't think they'll just cut their losses with him at training camp but he could lose a shot at start of season with green out performing him initially and them sending him down to d-league and see how he fairs their and test again at a later date. He's a young prospect at a incredibly low risk scale contract with high rewards.
But Green probably does have the edge over Butler so far in the rotation potential coming next season.
This f-ing CBA is really the big hole that is going to ruin the season for all fans this year as well as hamper a ton of teams developing said new talent into proper order. A shorten season benefits mostly teams that have been together a longer time with a similiar core over teams with younger talent and new faces.
Oh and regards to Joseph, well I haven't seen much on the guy only read what has been thrown out by the draftxpress and excetera. It hurts them initially this upcoming season with the loss of Hill's familiarity with the big 3 and roster, it's a bit of a gamble in regards to contending for a trophy but it's a good move in the long term. He may end up surprising fans and come out with a strong rookie season whenever that will be.
Can't make a sound evaluation over the picks without seeing what comes of off seasons free agency and other potential moves with this franchise.
Exactly the way I feel
People around here bash RMJ, but he was pretty good before Pop started ass- ing his empty wine bottles
@ dumb spurfan who still thinks Mason only sucked because he dribbled the ball up the floor on occasion.
Mason started sucking because teams started having his pick-one dribble pull up jumper scouted. Dribbling the ball up the court to get the ball to Manu in half-court sets wasn't the problem.
In fact, Mason was always most affective his first year whenever he had the ball in his hands in half-court sets like a PG. The defense just wasn't aware of his ability to knock down the one dribble pull-up off the screen early on (which was his bread and butter). Once the defense became of aware of that weapon they started hedging the pick and roll and Mason started sucking because he didn't have the ability to adjust (this happened when he played both the SG and PG spot).
Mason started sucking because defenses adjusted to his very limited array of skills. At the same time, he was always dog on defense.
So y'all clowns got the " MASON ONLY SUCKED BECAUSE POP MADE HIM BRING THE BALL UP A FEW TIMES" all wrong. Mason sucked because Mason sucked. Not because of Pop.
Get a clue.
i don't know if it's been mentioned already, but in case it hasn't . . .
For anyone who wants to see games of Joseph in action to form your own opinion, ESPN3 has a ton of Texas Big 12 full games available to watch.
Let me add,
Last year, Neal showed much better ability at adjusting with the ball in his hands off picks. He was able to get inside the defense (whenever defenses wanted him to put the ball on the floor) much more efficiently than Mason ever did --where he not only found himself a high percentage shot, but he was able to find his teammates for high percentage shots as well. Mason never had any amount of success in this regard.
, Neal looked to be more fluid in this part of the game than Hill at times last year.
Now that you look back on Richards with hindsight... This could be exactly the same fate for Corey. Imo he might never be in the rotation. The 29th position in this draft should not be a real need, its a reasonable gamble, just like Richards. Im hoping for more, but expecting a FA point and Corey not making the team this season.
Agreed. He looked good on a bad team before we got him. This type of player always sets off alarms.
Mason started sucking because teams started having his pick-one dribble pull up jumper scouted. Dribbling the ball up the court to get the ball to Manu in half-court sets wasn't the problem.
In fact, Mason was always most affective his first year whenever he had the ball in his hands in half-court sets like a PG. The defense just wasn't aware of his ability to knock down the one dribble pull-up off the screen early on (which was his bread and butter). Once the defense became of aware of that weapon they started hedging the pick and roll and Mason started sucking because he didn't have the ability to adjust (this happened when he played both the SG and PG spot).
Mason started sucking because defenses adjusted to his very limited array of skills. At the same time, he was always dog on defense.
So y'all clowns got the " MASON ONLY SUCKED BECAUSE POP MADE HIM BRING THE BALL UP A FEW TIMES" all wrong. Mason sucked because Mason sucked. Not because of Pop.
Get a clue.
From my vague recollection, Neal seemed to have more true point guard skills then Hill when we saw Neal do spot duty in the playoffs. I don't remember him getting murdered on the press in the way Beno did in 05. Neal seemed to have some knowledge and instincts on how to work with a pick and roll, which was always a struggle with Hill. For whatever limited minutes we need a backup pointguard (what, 13 mins a game?) I can live with Neal getting those minutes just to have him on the floor. I'd rather have that, or give the rookie a chance, then Quinn or some other veteran we bring in who has no idea how to deal with Pop's System - i.e., his byzantine playbook and prickly nature.
Agreed with EricD, Bruno and the Truth #6 here.
I like Neal but I don't want him playing the backup PG role for our team. He can do some in spot setting but to be honest I look for the Spurs to bring in another PG..So that means Joseph in D-League and Quinn released.
Was Tony a 40% three point shooter and excellent defender
Neal can get inside and hit the floater or pull up j.
With the exception of Splitter, everyone seems to be over exaggerating Pop's unwillingness to play rookies. By all accounts, Cory and Kawhi are gym rats so they should have no problem getting 15 mpg at the very least.
George Hill: 16.5 mpg
DeJuan Blair: 18.2 mpg
James Anderson (6 games before injury): 17.7 mpg
Gary Neal: 21.1 mpg
this is the only thing i hate about his game, sometimes he gets to comfy out there on the court pulling the same over and over again passing up the 3 to go inside for a better shot, he probably hits the 3 with better % then going inside to score....
It's among the top 5 ST myths.
I have no problem with it if he actually learned to dish it off to a cutting Duncan or Parker. The man that runs out for the three is beat but then Neal shoots a floater over the help defender instead of passing it off. I think part of it is Pop is going to yank him if he keeps jacking up contested threes. He's given like 1-2 a game.
Cory Joseph Interview: http://media.ccomrcdn.com/media/stat...2829_16918.mp3
Richards was picked 49th, not 29th.
I agree 29th in this particular draft is like picking a second rounder in other years. That's why the Spurs rolled the dice and went so young. Howevah, he'll make the team regardless of who else is signed. Joseph is not the kind of guy a team will just waive after training camp. Two guaranteed years is just fine to see how much he progresses.
Thanks for posting
You apparently like to make up . They pretty much never ran Neal as the ball handler on pick and rolls unless it was deep in the second team in garbage time.
He would come off screens running along and up from the baseline on set plays to take advantage of his lightning quick release a la Richard Hamilton with better range.
Its also good that you bring up defense. Neal lacks the agility to keep + defenders off him if he dominates the ball --which to his credit he has not done-- but on defense against point guards he would be slaughtered.
He was getting out of position because his anticipation could not make up for his lack of quicks against opponent 2's. Then he would compound that by fouling. Paul, Westbrook, Conley, or Currey would absolutely dominate that matchup and we would be playing another PG with Neal on the bench in foul trouble.
Didnt want to open another thread but mentions Hanga and Joseph..
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/7...2011-nba-draft
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