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Depends on who the average, pass-first point guard is. Are we talking Ramon Sessions or Kirk Hinrich?
Lets take it further, by giving each team a pair of 2nd/3rd tier players to match up with the opposition, and evenly matched up PGs. As an example...
Average Pass-First PG/Michael Jordan/Kobe Bryant/Nene Hilario/Andrew Bynum
vs.
Average Pass-First PG/Manu Ginobili/Shawn Marion/Tim Duncan/Shaquille O'Neal
Who would have the advantage, and why?
Depends on who the average, pass-first point guard is. Are we talking Ramon Sessions or Kirk Hinrich?
That's a good way of thinking about it.
Obviously no one is going to stop a prime shaq, and ginobli is good enough entry passer to get it into him with no problems. The only problem I have is Duncan/Shaq crowding the paint, making Ginobli's drive to the basket almost negated. Duncan could help spread the floor to give Shaq more room but I'd live with Duncan taking jumpshots. To me it all comes down to the end of the game, and having both Kobe and MJ down the stretch is just too much for Marion/Ginobli.
Kobe not getting selected even when paired with the GOAT
You can't be this stupid...
First two "average" PGs I thought of.
Career averages of 11/5 and 13/6 aren't average?
That's bull . Shawn Marion, that just ain't right.
Marion was a 20/10 type player for several years in this league. At his prime, he was a damn good player. I think he is very fitting for this discussion. My goal was to give each team a pair of well rounded players, that have had fine success in the league. Marion scored, rebounded, defended, created turnovers, and was a very solid passer. Just because people (spurs fans in particular) have suns hate, doesnt mean he isn't a good player.
I think he meant Marion in his prime when he was one of the better defenders and rebounders in the league
lol emo stoner actually understanding the point of my post, unlike his gnsf buddy
Out of curiosity where did that emo come from? I understand the stoner but I don't get the emo part tbh
IMO, its easier to gameplan against Duncan/Shaq than it is to gameplan against MJ/Kobe, especially since both players are actually capable of playing off the ball (unlike Bron/Wade). I think I would go with the MJ/Kobe team as well, because of what you said, they would be tougher to stop down the stretch than Shaq/Duncan. Plus I think MJ/Kobe can compliment each other better than Shaq/Duncan can.
because you like to cut yourself like a got
Bruce Bowen > Marion for that Duncan/Shaq team.
Thanks for clarifying
I was just about to post the same thing. I new phil was talking about marion in his prime but that team would need some shooters. Since marion can't provide that he is a bad fit.
you obviously are missing the point, you ing idiot.
and if you really want to get technical, Dirk > Duncan for these particular matchups as well.
another dumb that didnt get the point.
Anybody else finds it funny that Koolaid_Man made a thread yesterday in which he asks us to stop making Kobe-Duncan comparisons, then turns around and makes another thread that compares Kobe and Duncan?
Duncan and Shaq's team would win always. Duncan, Shaq, Manu and Marion didn't need many touches to be effective. MJ would get his without doubling, but the rest of that team would struggle.
Dirk has proven he can handle 2nd tier opponents just fine on defense, while he would give Shaq a lot more space to operate, and vice versa. Duncan and Shaq would just be a cluster in the middle.
I think a Shaq/Dirk led team in this example could definitely be argued as being more effective in a battle against a MJ/Kobe team than Shaq/Duncan would, as Shaq/Dirk compliments each other perfectly.
But I'm not going to get into that any further, as this is a thread about MJ/Kobe vs. Shaq/Duncan, two pairs of great players who have similar playing styles with the player they are paired with.
Point is you picked a bad player to fill the team with shaq and Duncan.another dumb that didnt get the point.
Honestly though a Shaq/Dirk/Bowen/Ginobili team I might have to pick. I think I'm leaning towards Kobe/Jordan because I'm thinking down the stretch, Duncan and Shaq, more so Shaq, were terrible free throw shooters and would routinely clang them. The post D on Jordan's team can at least be serviceable against Tim and Shaq but the defense of Marion and Manu or Jordan and Kobe...I don't know about that. Marion could give one of them some trouble and Ginobili, while not a great defender still has some tricks up his sleeve, but MJ/KB24 are some of the better defenders at their positions all-time and would give Ginobili fits since Marion can't create.
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